If preventing White men from having children is "saving lives", then an abortion clinic is the ultimate life saver.
Men who buy Chinese sex dolls, men who don't have kids, men who think women are the problem, are men who will never fight for their genetic legacy. Their lives and their deaths will be wasted.
"Take women's rights away" is a nonsensical idea. Women have no rights, men have no rights, we're all slaves and women aren't the ones holding this cage together.
MGTOW is a psyop.
@Based_Accelerationist Problem of MGTOW is the essence is from feminism that was made by jews 
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In the end men must find or create community that will put us on correct path and change current society .
Because as MGTOW if you are not off-grid you support jews and without community nothing really matters. That will share values and create future for men, women and children.
@Stahesh Indeed. And in addition to creating communities, there's a system that needs to be destroyed, or else no one will be allowed to opt out of it, once it's in place. And how will men find the will to fight and "do the thing" even if individually, even if it means they'll have to sacrifice everything? By having kids and not walking away.
The lives TFM "saved" are men who could've had children and made a difference. Men need to be burned by the system to burn it in return.
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
It's good in theory, but in reality men are not doing the thing.
They don't even kill their vindictive ex-wives (I truly don't understand why). They keep being slaves to the system and worst case scenario, they shoot themselves.
The kids actually turn them into weak simps because they don't want to disrupt their kids lives. The only dangerous men are the ones who have nothing to lose.
@Zeb @Stahesh Would those men have done something, if they didn't have children? The answer is "no".
In Canada, during covid, truckers were the ones resisting tyranny. They had families, they had a lot to lose. It's not kids that make men weak and less likely to act, quite the contrary.
It's when life is easy, when you have money, sex dolls and video games, that there's no reason to die for the future. Those men have a lot to lose and nothing to fight for.
MGTOW is not the solution.
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
We're talking different spheres here. MGTOW is the solution, the only final solution at an individual level. Any man who is not mgtow in our current society, it's someone we might have to eventually send to face the wall.
It might not theoretically be the solution at societal level, since there isn't civilization without commitment from men. But when society cannot offer them any good deal and punishes them heavily instead for trying to engage, it's what's left.
@Zeb @Stahesh MGTOW is the solution if the problem is pain. It's not a solution to anything else.
If society punishes you for engaging and so you stop engaging, then the enemy wins. MGTOW is not all that's left, you can fight the system, but that requires you to engage with it. And as you said, only those with nothing to lose, will be willing to act.
Who is the guy with nothing to lose? The one living happily by himself, disengaged from reality? Or the one being dragged through family court?
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
I remember one of the last streams devon stack did that touches on that topic.
He goes through how political solution and working from inside the system would go. it's worth the watch.
Mgtow is the solution according to human nature. The only to destroy a system is to stop supporting it and let it collapse under its own weight. Every new system/community and even country starts small and grows when it works well and efficiently.
https://odysee.com/@Blackpilled:b/INSOMNIA-STREAM--POLITICAL-SOLUTION-EDITION:7
@Zeb @Stahesh By "engage" I don't mean work from within the system. You know I would never say that.
My point is, if you give up raising a family so you can avoid the system and its traps, then you lose. You have to face the system's traps head on, engage with it as necessary, so you can do what your biology asks you to do and IF you get screwed, then "do the thing".
Those who disengage and choose sex dolls over their genetic legacy will NEVER do the thing. That is the truth.
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
Exactly. the system will collapse on its own.
Until then, the logical decision is to be mgtow and do your own thing. Not engage, find something else more productive that aligns with your own goals.
What is the difference if I'm not allowed today and won't be allowed in the future? In both cases, not engaging with other people's systems who don't share my goals still seem the best option. I don't care about dying if it's working on my own objectives, my own life.
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
Good post. I understand why our opinions differ now.
I don't consider genetic legacy as the be-all and end-all of my existence. I'm not a slave to biology and fulfilling biology as the aim to my life.
I feel the need and the urge of reproduction and family of course, like every man, but it doesn't define me and I won't do it under anyone's terms but mine.
Which is I embrace sex dolls, robot waifus and the artificial womb for a male-only future for humanity.
@Zeb @Stahesh Understandable. It's up to each one of us to determine what matters in life.
To me, genes matter most, not because the elites also happen to think that way, I reached that answer myself.
I hope you find meaning in your choice, but I definitely don't want the future of humanity to ever become male-only. Women are needed.
I understand. I'm happy you know what are your core values. Knowing yourself is the most important skill a man can have.
Genetics is very important which is why eugenics is inevitable if we want to ascend to a higher level of human development. The best way is to invest in artificial wombs and give the power of reproduction to men.
Objectively, women are really not needed in an advanced civilization. Men can care for their own children in our modern world while the baby is growing no problem.
@Zeb Some changes for better are better than no changes
MGTOW is good for individuals that want to just fulfill their carnal pleasures do not want kids and will die for themself
But for those who want to have kids and build things for future must think beyond MGTOW
Most of us probably not will be able to overturn current society👃 . At least you can start building foundations for new world
Yea with future technology gender will probably not matter
If everything fails there is solution
@Stahesh
When I see this video, I was confused. Why would anyone kill themselves?
If every single man that gets fucked (or even a minority) and suicides, decide to go for a killing spree, society would have been fixed a long time ago.
When my life is due, I'm going for the high score, killing spree for the win. Fuck everyone I can.
@Zeb Yea but there is other side that is far in not give a shit. That he will just kill himself to not deal with BS and will let people suffer. because death for them could be peacufull than living.
It will be bad for people like us who give a shit but there are many people who deserve to suffer.
@Zeb @Stahesh You're not going to collapse the system. The system is already set to collapse and it will happen on their terms, not yours.
White men who don't have kids to "own the system", are only doing the elites a favor.
Your argument also relies on the false notion that you'll be allowed to create a new system once this one collapses. The West's collapse is by design and there's nowhere to run to. This is not the time to think about "rebuilding".
MGTOW is White Genocide, nothing more.