I get a few sideways looks from people, for saying that pedophile offenders aren't that different from normal people - but that they made a choice to first indulge in a fantasy, and then to offend.
And there's a bit of a joke that I used to tell, just to fuck with people for laughs, but that kind of illustrates the point.
It goes like this: Most every man has been in love with a twelve year old...
...back when he was twelve.
Offending is a conscious choice. And this justifies punishment. 🫡
@YoMomz but the thing is, if one is a non-offending pedophile they need to never admit to it. Ever. As soon as it's known they think about children they will never be looked at the same way again, and it will become necessary to treat them differently and isolate them.
So even if they don't act on it, out of sheer pragmatism you have to treat them as if they might act on it if they admit to their degeneracy.
@ButtWorldsMan - no doubt.
My goal is to understand the phenomenon, because in order to solve a problem, one must understand the problem.
It's a common view, to see pedophiles as something that is born, rather than made. And this misunderstanding can lead to misguided and ineffective "solutions", that solve nothing.
It leads to a sort of guilt from birth too. If pedophiles breed more pedophiles, then babies will be born guilty - which is usually bullshit. 🍻
I find the whole pedo debate tiresome and riddled with dishonesty.
On the one hand it's become this dumb purity test for all sides - left, right, religious - where people just want to virtue signal and throw the pedo label at anyone for anything.
On the other hand there's no denying that we have a legit pedo problem, and getting worse. Most of it is downstream from 50+ years of a sustained, coordinated attack on the Western family.
@UncleIroh @YoMomz @ButtWorldsMan One thing is fantasy the other what the fantasy is and if some retard would act on it.
Like if they catch pedo sending messages to kids. There is no other option than to kill him.
Every person know that messaging weird text to kids is retarded.
@Stahesh @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan ➡️ I think that treating child sex offenses as a disease or "condition" is a mistake.
If it's a disease, then it's a self-inflicted disease, like alcoholism or addiction. There was a choice involved.
@YoMomz @Stahesh @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan
Could it be considered a disease if someone was groomed and molested as a child in the same way that a predisposition to heart failure is a disease?
They might have a proclivity to the outcomes of the disease, but similar to how you don't have to get fat if you have a proclivity to heart failure, you don't have to molest children if you were molested.
From action and not intention or its proclivity is where the execution of judicial action comes.
@DoubleD - I get that the predisposition of child victims that grow up is real, and that it isn't fair. That unfairness is part of the tragedy that makes the crime so despicable. But even with that, there is a choice made when they face temptation.
Treating the matter as a disease though, allows for too many transgressions to slide.
Personally, I draw the line at action. If there's no victim, then there is no crime. If there's a victim or intended victim, then there is a crime - regardless. 🍻
@YoMomz I agree. It they are taking provable actions to make someone into a victim, the victim must be protected, and they must be stopped.
@YoMomz @Stahesh @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan The whole question is one of guilt in intention or guilt in action:
To prevent continued victimization of children we want to prosecute those who are guilty action.
To prevent possible victimization of children we want to prosecute those who are guilty of intention.
We cannot now nor may ever be able to know people's intentions without evidence as displayed by attempts or completed acts.
@DoubleD @YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan Most of these are people whore are guilty by action.
Even just messaging kids with inappropriately intentions is already action.
One thing is thinking about it and watching sus hentai.
The other is already making first step for future crime.
@Stahesh @YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan I understand your perspective in this.
The issue is that we have to "draw the line somewhere".
We could prosecute an individual based upon their perceived intention, and you'd probably rightly identify and prevent acts like molesting children, but where do you draw the line?
The state, the means of coercion and control via force then has the authority to criminalize people's intentions because they've been given the responsibility thereof.
@DoubleD @YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan I
Talking weird things to kid without parents and no reason GUILTY
Starting conversasions with kid for no reason and wanting to meet them or get their picture GUILTY
Not mentioning many the baiters say they are under age and they keep messaging so there is already escalation.
It is like saying the guy did not wanted to stab you he was just getting closer with knife ready to stab you.
He who allows the Alien to live shares in its crime of existence
@DoubleD @YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan After they make any first sthem they should be marked to kill IMO better to be save than sorry.
Those who understand know that you have no right to let them live
@Stahesh @YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan I hear you, and I understand that this is a value judgement, which is fine.
A "better safe than sorry" attitude will certainly stop perpetrators, and even if there is a question, you can easily see in many cases what is legitimate and what is not as you outlined above.
As long as you understand the ramifications of your choices, I am sanguine.
@DoubleD @YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan We both will follow our WILLS.
So good luck in your journey.✊ 😇
@Stahesh @YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan Those actions are red flags and the actors are guilty of those acts; they likely have the intention to do more terrible things; I agree.
In these cases, it is up to the fathers to protect themselves and their families, which I fully support. I don't support granting the government the power to decide if someone is guilty of having the wrong intentions.
@YoMomz @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan entrapment is choice.
If you set up trap and intruder step on it he is to blame not you.
He choose to invade your property even though he had choice not to.
So IMO entrapment save from having victims.
I would not mind even baits that will tempt them.
Like many see almost many women naked daily and do you see men going on raping spree?
@Stahesh - If you have some FBI agent posing as a 16yo girl, starting conversations and chatting up 22yo dudes... Telling the guys how much they care and want to be with them, and how "it's fine to just hang out"... and then those guys get arrested when they go to meet this girl/fed... That would cross a line.
I wouldn't support that.
@YoMomz I more thought about them being less than 15 under of age of consent.
In many european countries she would be legal.
Even as 18-19years old I could not made myself attracted to 16old even though she was attracted to me because I just tried some redpill knowledge on her.
It was such weird thing she wanted me to buy her something I refused and she was more attracted to me. I was like WTF why would you like someone who will refuse to do something for you.🤡
@Stahesh - I want to prevent offenses as much as anyone. My sister, my ex-wife, and the girl I most recently fell for, were all legitimately child victims.
Offenders have been fucking up my ability to build a life, for all my life.
But we have to remember that the govt will abuse any power that we give them. In the US, that entrapment scenario would definitely play out like that.
(redpill knowledge is a life-saver 🫡)
@Stahesh - Your comment reminds me of why I quit social media 10yrs ago. I used to enjoy shit-posting crass jokes, innuendo and whatnot... until I realized they were letting legit minors onto social media. And I did not need any misunderstandings in my life.
The internet used to be fun. Who the hell would let kids onto social media?? But yeah, we can't have fun things. 😕
At least there's Merovingian club. 😁🍻
@Stahesh @UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan - yeah, death to attempted offenders is fine with me - though entrapment would be particularly fucked up. It becomes a real fine line there. 🤔
My only point though, is that offenders are a lot like murderers, in that everyone has the capacity to murder someone, but the vast majority of people choose not to.
In the same way, everyone has the capacity to become a pedophile offender, but the vast majority of people don't - which is good, but could be better.➡️