Dividing people up by "generations" makes no sense to me.
Most of the people who I relate most to both online and in person are WAY older than me.
Values, Interests, Goals >>>>>> Year you were born.
@basedbagel Well you have to admit that Boomers AND Baby Boomers fuck up everything beyond repair this are people that wheree born from 1945 to 1960
That's true but they were just the 1st generation big enough to vote themselves free $$.
The nail in the coffin for this society was women's suffrage.
@basedbagel @VeganMGTOW - I think the generation thing is useful as a loose sort of shorthand way to generalize.
But yes, people are often too rigid with it. And the people over the age of 25, who take generational pride in a bureaucratic categorization... 🤔 Well, they're in for tough times as reality continues to defy their expectations. 😅
Exactly!
People try to look down on younger generations as if it wasn't incumbent on them to instill the right values in them and mold them into good people.
@basedbagel @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
Using generations as a unit of time has been around since before the bible so that's not going anywhere.
Turns out it's also a useful way to track other metrics - economics, cultural change, birth/death rates etc..
We're only just realizing how important generational coherence is to people's sanity as we watch the rate of technological change dissolve those bonds in real time.
The best example is the change in women. It's been absolutely shocking to witness.
@UncleIroh @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
I see the utility in generational units, my issue is people take it WAY too far.
IMO the change in women was socially engineered by the zionist satanic-pedo elite that's been going on since the 70's.
Technology just added fuel to the fire but the degradation was coming anyway.
I was shocked when I found out the ages of MGTOW guys are all over the place.
" It's been absolutely shocking to witness."
Damn right! Lord help us I still lowkey want a famliy
@basedbagel @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
To be clear, older generations absolutely have a duty to guide the younger. But the rate of cultural change has become so fast, there is even a breakdown of understanding within the same generation.
Multi-generational homes no longer exist. Hell, nuclear families hardly exist. This is an entirely new thing.
But ..what we have here in this community is a great example of how to reverse that. Lots of inter-generational wisdom going on in here.
@basedbagel @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
Having a family is the sticking point. I hear you, you should want a family.
But there is absolutely no arguing - you either live in a patriarchal community that has a plan for dealing with female nature on steroids, or you place you and your children's fate entirely in the hands of a woman who will statistically end the LARP for no good reason and destroy everything.
Or you move to a patriarchal country.
Nail that to a wall because it's the plain truth.
@UncleIroh @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
You're right but i'm still kinda salty I have to go to such lengths just to have a child but it is what it is.
@basedbagel @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
I would be mad as hell. And if I knew then what I know now, I would have moved.
@UncleIroh @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
I feel that.
When i 1st came in this space I was raging for years:
- Memories with women that lived in my head alone.
- "Friends" that betrayed me over the scent of pussy
-Jewish satanic, pedo psycho banking elite printing $$ as I'm making minimum wage
But now that I've read other guys stories I realize that I got off pretty easy.
No kids, low debt, no alimony or #MEETOO case.
All I lost was time and fake friends.
@basedbagel @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
> I would have been in debt and miserably married.
> All I lost was time and fake friends.
Oh yes, it could have been so much worse. Hearing you avoid these traps is encouraging to us older MGTOW guys. Nice.
@UncleIroh @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
"Hearing you avoid these traps is encouraging"
This is why I know those at big tech are satanic. Censoring life-changing info because it hurts feelings... They're going straight t hell.
The biggest thing I'm struggling with now is watching people suffer from obvious problems that I can't help them with.
ex.Vax (lied to family that I took it)
I hope this gets easier
@basedbagel @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
Yes, demons like nothing more than to sever and destroy.
The family vax lie is a tough one. Personally I wouldn't lie. I'm not you and you may be or have been dependent in ways that mean having to stay in your family's good graces.
Or they're so old it would make more waves than necessary.
Whatever it is, you sound independent enough to be able to fess up and take the flak if you want to.
@UncleIroh @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
After I got tired of arguing and my parents telling me they were tired of my conspiracies I lied and said I took the jab
As God would have it the week I maxxed out my CC the supreme court struck down the mandate and I had a job.
I tried to drop hints to red pill my family with no luck.
My family is easily scared so the propaganda worked wonders on them.
Even if they found out the vax was useless they wouldn't mind.
I'm taking this one to the grave.
2/2
@basedbagel @YoMomz @VeganMGTOW
This bullshit really did a number on family stability. Just like MAGA, just like Israel, it just splits famillies into warring factions.
Seems it came down to "get the jab or get out", and you made your choice on how to resolve it.
There are no winners here, and that is the game evil plays.
@Zerglingman @UncleIroh @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
"get the jab or get out"
Yup that was my life.
At my lowest point my family made a choice and I can't look at them the same anymore.
Now you see why i bitch about the vax so much?
These people are evil as hell.
"There are no winners here, and that is the game evil plays."
True, just gotta carry that weight. (Havent' watched Cowboy Bebop but I like the quote
@basedbagel @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
Everyone's family relationships changed over this - mostly across old to young, but also across female to male.
Now that everyone knows I'm an ornery asshole, life is so much better.
@UncleIroh @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
Bonus storytime!
When I did get covid around that same timeon a family vacation they just left my bedriden ass there and went shopping!
I had to hobble downstairs at the hotel and get some tea to stay hydrated.
They came back 3 hours later with some stale zaxbys and yelled at me for ruining their vacaction.
Haven't talked to most of them since.
If I can't trust my family to take care of me when I'm sick then what's the point?
@basedbagel @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
If you had dependants you would have legit skin in the game from a father's point of view.
Men respect the opinions of other men carrying similar burdens. Your father made a wrong choice but also did the right thing.
Understanding that paradox is the key to resolving the conflict.
@Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
Everything you just said makes perfect sense but I hate the way it invalidates my feelings...
Dammit @UncleIroh You gut me feeling like a feminist right now.
In my defense why couldn't he just explain it like you did instead of handwaving me away?
One thing that annoys me about my family is they never really explain anything.
I just get orders and lectures its annoying af
@Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz @UncleIroh
Also in my defense I stopped talking to most of my family because they didn't take care of me when I was sick like they always do.
I can only assume:
1. They didn't care that covid knocked me on my ass due to my political stance.
2. They got me sick on puprose to teach me a lesson.
3. They cared more about having fun on vacation then staying with me.
Either way the whole ordeal gave me SERIOUS trust issues.
@basedbagel @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
> I can only assume
Let's grant you all those assumptions. Let's say your family did all of that stuff.
The only positive way forward would be to lose the butthurt through action to become your own man while also maintaining respect for your father and all he has done. No hate.
You wouldn't have to agree with him on anything & that would still be true.
When you've done the work, he will contend with you. Until then, no bitching, just work.
@Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
I agree and I 'm working my plan.
It's just that every once in a while the memories flood back to at random times like:
-Seeing a Father and son doing some activity together like fishing knowing I never had nor will I have that.
- Podcasts of people talking about how closer they are with their family.
It's happening less with time but I'm still struglling with it.
You sure like up to your name though, thanks for the new perspective. @UncleIroh
@basedbagel @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
No worries bagel.
@basedbagel @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
> why couldn't he just explain it like you did instead of handwaving me away?
Because everyone's an asshole.
He can be the perfect UncleIroh to someone he has distance from while also being an asshole to you because things are too close.
@UncleIroh @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
Fair enough, but look at it from my POV.
My credit card is maxxed out because my parents won't loan me any $ as they think I'm nutjob about the vax.
In my darkest hour of my young adult life I received more compassion from TFM and you guys than my own family.
Let that sink in..
An anon chimp on the internet who wouldn't know if I died tomorrow was more help in a time of crisis than my own flesh and blood.
i. NEEDED. THEM. They foresook me
@basedbagel @Zerglingman @VeganMGTOW @YoMomz
> Haven't talked to most of them since.
Dude, this is why we have myths and stories about the blind father and the rescuing son.
Old kings cannot see things, they hold onto power, etc
BUT..
Hard decisions like fathers insisting on a family-wide vaxx make sense from their point of view because they also have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of being wrong.
Dependents don't have that burden.