@VooDooMedic Well, I think he is right. You can do an "end-run" around a female's hypergamy but after that, there must be substance. Otherwise you Have to continue the scharade, indefinitely. That is tiresome and unsustainable. Women preselect us in milliseconds based on genetic cues. Genuine attraction/desire is Not a choice; cannot be faked. I agree with TFM, in that "Game" is just the "war paint".