I told my Muslim cousin I wouldn't even know what I'm saying if I prayed in Arabic and he said "you just gotta feel it"

Which honestly makes me wonder if the 5 daily prayer ritual triggers an epigenetic expression or neuroplastic adaptation that contributes to Muslim faithfulness

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Most Muslims I talked to who were going out of their way to publicly proselytize Islam and who were male

Seem to claim that you can not trust the Bible since you know it changed because each English translation has a different text

They do not understand that the question would be if the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic original texts changed

They insist on only the Quran in Arabic counting

But most Muslims throughout the world can not read Arabic

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Since they can not read Arabic they could not have read the Quran in Arabic and concluded with logic, reason, and evidence that the information in the Arabic Quran is correct

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If I remember correctly Usama Dakdok had Egyptian Christian Parents and studied Islam in Egypt

He translated the Quran into English

He is one of the best scholarly resources on Islam

He claims to be a Christian

In my opinion he does not understand Christianity as well as he should because some of his objections to Islam are not logical for example, the Bible clearly allows polygyny but he complains about polygyny in Islam

He fails to name the Jew

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allah is satan
false god with a pedophile for a prophet
There is but one true God.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
@koropokkur @LysanderMooner @shortstories Dont forget the Christian churches in those countries use the same word. While Islam is a great heresy, I don't believe their God is Satan. They were mislead into Arianism and other heresies as a corruption, which is arguably worse in many ways due to being close enough to be tougher to convince of the truth of Christ.
mutts are filthy invaders.
not aryans, not persians.
they have occupied those lands and claimed ownership and heritage that is not theirs.
they do not worship Our Lord.
they worship a pedophile and the false god he represents.
@koropokkur @LysanderMooner @shortstories Arians not Aryans. I'm defending the Eastern Christians who use the Arabic word Allah for God. Islam is Mormon tier heresy but a bit worse, and it's not wrong to say Satan was involved in corruption of God's truth. They do not worship in an acceptable way, but it's more accurate to criticize their theology than throw ≈10% of the world's Christians under the bus for the language they use.
that's their word for their false god.
allah is not the name of Jesus Christ
@BowsacNoodle @koropokkur @LysanderMooner @shortstories Allah in the Christian context is just a general signifier like Deus, God, or Theos. Allah in the Mohammedan context is literally the actual name of their God, just as Jesus is the actual name of the 2nd person of the Godhead.
Jesus is God in man.
again, allah is known as the greatest of deceivers.
the bible refers to satan as the prince of lies.
allah is satan.
@koropokkur @LysanderMooner @shortstories @BowsacNoodle We have no disagreement here. The word "Allah" which is the Arabic word that is translated as the word "God" in English, Deus and Theos in the Latin and Greek, has no meaning in it of itself. The word "Allah" derives its meaning from the religious paradigm that one holds, so if I a Roman Catholic say the phrase "Inshallah". I am not saying "Allah" to mean God as how the Mohammedian understands "God" through his Quranic lens, but how a Christian understands God through what his scriptures teach.
@AnimeTradCath @LysanderMooner @koropokkur @shortstories I don't scroll up and still didn't so maybe I just did a drive by retardation.
>I don't believe their God is Satan.
When you read their own stories around how Mohammed received his supposed divine revelation it becomes extremely hard to deny satanic influence in it, rather than relying purely on the more mundane "it came out of pre-existing heresies" explanation.

There's also the implicit connection of the devil being called the "lord of this world" and how obscenely worldly islam is. Seriously, its conception of heaven is literally a whorehouse. Or how one of the 99 names of the islamic god is "master of lies" (or something to that effect)

Or the few times the islamic god is depicted with a personality (rather than as an unknowable monad god, which is also common) it's that of a petty and spiteful slavemaster. In many ways like a caricature of the image of the "wrathful" depiction of God in the OT.
@Umlaut @LysanderMooner @shortstories @koropokkur The last paragraph is basically gnosticism, so I do think it's entirely consistent with the repackaging of old heresies with some Antichrist satanic influence.
@BowsacNoodle @Umlaut @LysanderMooner @shortstories @koropokkur Moreso Neo-Platonic, but Mohammed was an illiterate Bedouin who hobbled together various different Christian heresies and 7th century judasim to form Islam.
Islam lacks pretty much all the other relevant gnostic beliefs however, they also don't have a demiurge or the like. It was also basically dead when Mohammed was kicking around.

I'm not saying it's novel, I just think "it's repackaged old heresies" is really lazy and based of very shallow looks into islam (not that islam is deep lol). If you want to say it's repackaged anything it'd be repackaged Talmudry, since it's effectively the same thing but for Arabs.

@Umlaut @LysanderMooner @shortstories @koropokkur They do believe Christ will return and kill the antichrist and his followers and btfo Satan, so that's a step above talmudists. Still wrong for everything else involved. They can't accept The Trinity in even a Modalism sort of way yet still think Christ was special enough to do what He did via earthly ministry, ascend into heaven, and eventually return. It's very odd to me and makes me think it's absolutely influenced by Satan.

>They do believe Christ will return and kill the antichrist and his followers and btfo Satan,
I actually don't buy this. It reeks of taqiyyah to me and I can't recall if it's actually in the quran.
@Umlaut @LysanderMooner @shortstories @koropokkur I'll find it. There's a few things about their beliefs sets that are very odd and this is one of them.

*Looks like it's not in the quran and it's hadith stuff. Claims on the internet that it's their real belief, but as you said— taqiyyah. I do recall them having an empty tomb they built for Him because they believe He will return and rule the world until dying of old age. It's very odd and all done to minimize or remove the divinity of Christ.
Please do, I have a quran in my bookshelf but I can't be fucked to look through it because of its atrocious formatting.
Very cool, so exactly as I thought. Taqiyyah to bring people to their false religion.

@BowsacNoodle according to them Jesus was a Muslim and prophet of allah

@LysanderMooner If you buy their marketing, which I do not, Islam just means one who submits to God's will. So from that perspective, sure, but we all know that's not what that really means when they say it.

@shortstories yup my cuz said you can't trust the Bible cuz it's touched by man

@shortstories @LysanderMooner Muslims state that you can't trust the Bible because they say that is has been corrupted because the Quran states that you can confirm the Quran based on the prior revelations of the Torah and the Gospel, but when you do so you find out that the Quran is wrong. The Muslim then has to state, in order to ensure that the Quran is still correct, that the modern texts of the Torah and the Gospels have been corrupted by Man.
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