It finally clicked once I heard about the papal front-runner; Francis’s life’s work was in doing absolutely everything in his power to see to it that his successor would be a nigger.
@Twig Precisely. Francis has created the exact precise conditions wherein this circumstance would arise.
@Twig Yes, of course they are saying that. Francis absolutely saw to it they would.
Francis said that all suffering people have a human right to seek sanctuary in a better place and he pointed out that Joseph, Mary and Jesus were refugees who fled to Egypt so Herod couldn’t kill them.
A compelling argument for Christians?
@Twig @KingOfWhiteAmerica Francis was incorrect. The act of flight is neither moral nor immoral, and as such it is not incumbent upon another country to accept anyone for any reason or grant someone a right of passage into said country. The person in question is irrelevant from a moral perspective because flight as such is non-moral.
@reallyangry @Twig @DoubleD It was (((Einstein’s))) preferred term.
Correct, even Francis acknowledged the right of countries to establish law.
Christian can and should help many disadvantaged people as possible but must be done in a responsible way.
@Twig @reallyangry @DoubleD It is bad Christian witness to empower gangs of thugs to threaten your literal neighbors’ kids.
A significant minority are criminals, who endanger the public, suffering for migrants themselves.
@Twig @KingOfWhiteAmerica @reallyangry I can't tell if someone disagreed with my point.
My follow-up question to the point about helping people is how do you define "help"? Is it giving someone a place to stay when they are a chronic bad decision-maker, or is it making someone suffer the consequences of their decisions?
What if literally closing the door on someone makes them realized how bad they've made their life, and gives them the initiative to truly repent?
Doubled, why did God make you?
Jesus said help the poor and disenfranchised but in that pursuit, if we endanger them and the public, then it does more harm than good, obviously unintended consequences of compassion.
I think HE would agree that it must be done in a responsible, disciplined way.
@Twig @KingOfWhiteAmerica @reallyangry
There are many ways to answer the question of why I came to be.
Your response still doesn't answer my question in a universally applicable way because you've swapped "help" for "harm" and "good".
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How do we know which way will lead them to help especially when they are bad decision makers?
Most liberals can't stand the idea of living near migrants albeit they welcome and invite them into the country.
Would you house some of them to help them if they aren't criminals?
Even atheists believe, I think, that good will be rewarded and evil will be punished. It sounds valid, but they don't, mainly because it requires sacrifice.
Could you sacrifice for them?
@Twig @KingOfWhiteAmerica @reallyangry I can be cheeky here and say He Who is the Way is the correct "way" to lead them. 😉
You're correct that most people, let alone modern progressives, don't desire to live near migrants, but it's perfectly reasonable that they don't wish to even though they espouse welcoming them into the country because their morality is to act for that which is in their own perceived self-interest. If that means virtue signalling they do it.
Perhaps they didn't conquer the self-loving part?
What do you think about 'Love Yourself Before You Love Others'?
Are we more focused on the self-loving part?
By the way, is it true that to love others one should learn to love others?
@Twig @KingOfWhiteAmerica @reallyangry Most people have an idealistic worldview based on the idea that behavior which conforms to their ethics should be rewarded, atheist or not. Also, many positive atheists still have a theological worldview, it is just missing God meaning they still believe in an absolute standard of right and wrong, but there is no supreme being to define it for them.
.. i dunno
@Twig @KingOfWhiteAmerica @reallyangry To your question, about housing someone who wasn't a criminal or sacrificing materially for them, it would depend on the specific time, the specific conditions of their migration, the specific person with a specific background, the specific conditions of my financial situation, etc. I cannot say "I will do X for all cases" any more than I can buy iron bars as such. I have to buy a particular amount of iron bars for a particular price at a particular time.
Your answer is nope.
No one can sacrifice for them, Jesus would but not us and even Francis couldn't and didn't, I bet. So minimizing chaotic situations and lessening unintended consequences are helping and supporting those migrants.
Sending you a log….🎥👇😁
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@Twig @KingOfWhiteAmerica @reallyangry
I'm not being intentionally obtuse: I know what you mean in common parlance, but I want you to think about the subjective nature of what is beneficial and non-beneficial for people. Only God knows what is truly best for them. I would highly recommend reading "Who is the Rich Man That Shall Be Saved?" by St. Clement of Alexandria to grasp that I'm aiming for something below the surface-level interpretation.
A compelling theological argument for Christians….
Jesus the Nazarene commanded his followers to help the poor and disenfranchised, not turn them away…