It's not just word and number play.

It is in some ways - very biblical.

God is within you and all around you. <- it takes this very seriously.

If god is logic, why not do the logic inside yourself? This is the root of Kabbalah.

It's not some devil worship or something. I wouldn't suggest that kind of thing.

It's certainly not Christian - I'll give you that. But this is also why I had a rant the other week about my suspicious nature of Hitler and was talking about inflection points - I'm talking about the logic of it all.

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Numerology is not logical for physics and chemistry predictions

Numerology does not enable you to understand what will happen based on physics

Numerology is a language to send secret messages to specific individuals that know the code without the rest of the public that sees the message understanding the intended meaning

Yeah I've never gotten into numerology.

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How can you claim to know so much about the Kabballah but so little about numerology

Are you telling me the Kabballah is nkt full of numerology

I don't DO Kabbalah, but I've been a victim of it, and read up on it and understand both from being a target and what I've read on it.

I don't practice it.

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What would anyone "do" with it? Isn't it just some kind of jewish mysticism?

As far as I can tell, kabbalah is just one of many in the jews’ bag of tricks to hoodwink the gullible goyim

That's what black magic is though: cultivating the favor of negative spiritual beings, who are inherently deceptive, so that you can more effectively flimflam your fellow man.

I mean just listen to this shit.

You were the fucker going on about mystical nonsense that can't really be proven earlier. "I believe because I believe"

And that's not flimflam?

I didn't mean it that way (I believe simply because I believe). It took me a long time - most of my life - to come to the conclusion that demons are real, and in large part because I've had strange demonic experiences myself. I rarely talk about this kind of thing because most people believe, as you do, that it's all crank nonsense. I know it irritates the hell out of you. It used to have the same effect on me, but I changed my mind, and I know that I'll never be able to prove what I now believe.

I don't believe it's crank nonsense depending upon the context.

I've seen shit that would make you question reality itself, but I don't believe in people levitating and climbing the walls. Not without proof. And the proof should be easily gotten, but we don't because <reasons>. And that's not good enough.

" ...people levitating and climbing the walls."

Yeah, that's something I'd pretty much have to see with my own eyes. I haven't experienced anything like that, and I don't know what to make of people who say that they have.

THAT is my sticking point.

And we're talking Catholic priests and shit saying this stuff.

It's not a protestant thing. Like ok, just get me some video. Half the world will fucking come and be baptised. But they don't.?!?!

Yeah, I was just going to say that I've only ever heard Catholic priests make those kinds of claims.

I think I've heard one other group, but I cannot remember who it was.

I've talked to protestant deliverance ministers who claim to have delivered people from demonic oppression, and they all told me that nothing like levitation/climbing walls ever happens during their deliverance sessions. According to them, the afflicted person may experience bodily tremors, fits of coughing, or bouts of spontaneous tears/crying, but nothing physics defying like you'd see in a horror movie.

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Hmong people told me things were levitating when they worked with demon possessed people

If you talk to either Hmong Christians or Hmong Animists they will tell you supernatural sounding stories

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I actually _have_ heard about supernatural things from people in iceland. Yet... the common factor is... it's always stories, it's never repeatable, and it never happens in the vicinity of scientific equipment, and of course, I've never seen anything myself.

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So for me, I consider it nothing but stories until empirical evidence is presented, at which point, it becomes an interesting investigation into the unknown.

The very nature of the phenomena means it can not be repeated, or even really anticipated so a person can set up measuring equipment. Even if you captured something on video, it would be discounted as fake or some misinterpreted natural occurrence. It would be the same thing if someone somehow recorded strange electro-magnetic readings or some other kind of evidence.

All that is left is the experience itself. If that experience is strange enough, happens often enough, in different ways, and in such a way that other, more natural explanations fail (as it did with me and those with me), you are left with profound information you are incapable of adequately sharing with others. It can be frustrating, and ultimately, very isolating. I no longer expect anyone to believe what we saw and experienced. I rarely even bother telling anyone about it. I have to be content in knowing that it actually happened, and that that knowledge makes me even more alone than normal.

Really, it's better for you if you never have such an experience. Part of me envies you. Your world is more normal, more predictable than mine.

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Incorrect. Fire, electricity, thunder, lightning, some forms of mental illness, there's millions of phenomena that are repeatable, that have been explained through repeatable experiments and so on.

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I do understand your yearning for god and meaning in life, and that requires, for some people, the belief in ghosts and spirits, and from a pragmatic point of view, this is ok. it gives you please, a feeling of superiority over "scientists" and a deep convition that there is "something else".

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But the scientific facts remain, there is no god, demons, or supernatural, since no one has ever presented empirical proof of it.

Freud taught us that religion is a mental illness, or something similar to the appendix, psychologically speaking, so it

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My man, you sound like you stepped out of 2005 or something. Which isn’t bad but this whole radical empiricism died with The West. You remind me of the guy that got a Philosophy of Science degree before you realized they won’t be hiring any more White men in that department. So all that’s left is patting yourself on the back that nobody has talked you out of it yet.

I’m not saying this as an insult, so much as a congratulations. I, too, was born in that world. You remind me of my youth and sound a lot like I did. Which is great ! I’m sure you’re better at it than I got, as I was destined for other things and had to “jump ship” in my early adulthood. So, no condescension or anything. In fact I respect it.

And though our destinies ended up differently, in a real way they’re the same - because I know exactly what it’s like to be a relic from a past civilization vis-a-vis Orthodoxy. I mean, don’t get me wrong, The Faith is timeless - but Christendom hasn’t ruled with State power in these parts for a very long time. Like Saint Paul said,

“For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.”

you can’t outgrow religion. if you are really growing you grow into the truth of God.

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There is no empirical evidence for god, so please do not use this concept unless you can also show me empirical evidence of it.

Note that if you can, it is actually not god as defined by most mainstream religions. So you, my man, are trapped! ;)

Your existence is empirical evidence for God unless you have a better theory how order comes from nothing.

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That's ridiculous. We can infer big bang, and some things, such as the nature of the universe, or why laws are as they are, are meaningless questions and spooks of language.

Grow up and live with the fact that not all questions have answers, and many questions are meaningless.

Why do you get order from chaos? Why is entropy suspended?

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What's the smell of the color blue?

Very good. You can’t answer why entropy is reversed. That means you don’t have a better explanation for creation than God.

That’s what I found at the end of my five-year Intentionality study.

There’s some very interesting parallels and overlaps there between Grebennikov’s Cavity Structure Effect, and Sheldrake’s Morphic Resonance.

I’m not a physicist. I’m an amateur theologian.

I have to be careful publishing my results; because I’m nobody, and I’d rather have my kids reap some benefit from my findings than have them yoinked out from under us

Sometimes we go through things like that because we need to for ourselves.