@KingOfWhiteAmerica Hey, I see you're Orthodox. Does that mean Eastern Orthodoxy? I have some questions you may have the answer to, either way. Are they futurist / dispensationalists? If I had a different eschatological perspective than what the church teaches, I would not really be accepted, right? I heard that they even somewhat distanced themselves from Eastern Orthodox people who use different calendars.
@RoninGrey @KingOfWhiteAmerica
https://web.archive.org/web/20160303175944/http://nestorian.org/
Clicking on a series of things leading to finally click on
Unofficial Home Page of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
Used to lead to this chart plus a written description of each denomination
I could no longer find it in the more recent website version & it is very difficult to find in the archived version because it is accessed through a series of menus but the link does not change to be different than the homepage in the end
@RoninGrey @KingOfWhiteAmerica
So basically there were what were called Ecumenical councils in which assigned people voted on what is true
When one group disagreed with how another group voted sometimes there was a Church Split
Each group has a list of councils and if you do not agree with the councils historic decisions you might be considered not a part of the Church
But many people simply do not know all the council decisions to be able to say they disagree & still call themself a member
@RoninGrey @KingOfWhiteAmerica
Church of the East, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox and Old Catholics never claimed the Pope was infallible
Many or all of them claimed the ecumenical council process of group voting was infallible but the Pope as a sole individual was not infallible
If you want to know what a specific group believes you have to examine their council votes they list as binding and read the texts in regards to the groups I mentioned
KingOfWhiteAmerica@shortstories @RoninGrey Yeah I disagree with the chart of course; from my perspective, we’re the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, with the Latins aka “Roman Catholic Church” breaking away in the 11th Century. This is of course an Ecclesiological consideration; just what constitutes “The Church”, and why.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RoninGrey
The Chart gives you an idea of when these denominations started to exist
If a road is shaped like a Y either of the 2 split branches could arbitrarily be given the same name as the singular branch they split from or they could both be given a different name
There was no distinction between the 2 branches before the vote in which the split occurred
Thus I would argue that both denominations were created by the split & neither existed before the split
@shortstories @RoninGrey Simply calling them “denominations” is a mistake from my perspective; that sort of distinction makes sense in Protestantism, but not in Orthodoxy. We are organized along ethnic national lines. A better word from our perspective is “Communions”.
@shortstories @RoninGrey Thus, the ”Lutheran Communion,” the “Anglican Communion”, the “Roman/Latin Communion“, the “Eastern Orthodox Communion” etc works a lot better - as it affirms a real, ontological divide between these Ecclesial bodies.
@shortstories @RoninGrey This may seem “nit-picky” but it really isn’t at all, to us. We actually believe these things. By receiving Communion in one of these Communions, we are affirming that we subsume our entire selves to the Faith held by that Communion. It’s no small deal.
@RoninGrey @KingOfWhiteAmerica
The Denomination under Pope Francis did not exist until 1870 or later approximately
Before then people were free to believe the Pope was not infallible
After Vatican 1 there was a new decision that the Pope is infallible
New Catholics believe the Pope is not an antipope and the pope is infallible
Old Catholics believe the Pope is not infallible and or the Pope is an antipope