https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzcAA2CE0xA
This is a great point to bring up to anyone who claims to be Christian and is a Zionist at the same time. Why should we consider Jews to be "similar" or "the same" as Christian when they reject the most fundamental beliefs and teachings that Christians follow?
Islam is closer to Christianity than Judaism
Roman Catholics who non Roman Catholic zionists call heretics tend to claim Jews, Christians and Muslims worship one and the same God but Roman Catholics are the most correct in their knowledge about that God
I would ask them do Muslims worship the same god as Christians
If they say no I would ask them why they believe that
Once they give one answer I would ask them if they have any additional reasons for why they believe that
Once I get their list of reasons then I would ask if the same reasons they listed apply to Jews
This is similar to what you said but they might not believe the trinity or believe that belief in the trinity is essential
They might say of course the Jews do not worship the same god they were sown in unbelief according to the Bible but when Jesus comes again they will believe in him as Romans 9 says all Israel will be saved
Some zionists before make it about bloodline not religion
That is why it is important to point out that Palestinians are the descendants of the old testament Judeans and Israelites to a greater extent of percent ancestry than Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews
Also I point out that Messianic Jews who use the Old & New Testament as their religious texts are persecuted by Israel so the State of Israel is persecuting Christianity which they claim was the / a original Jewish religion and people who they claim are of Jewish ancestry
Islam does not disagree with what the Christian Church of the East teaches in that
1 God has no biological mother
2 God has no biological son
3 God has no wife
4 God does not have a created body but is uncreated & eternal
5 God is not a trinity / triunity of three human bodies a biological Father, a Wife / biological mother & a biological Son
The Church of the East teaches that Jesus human nature is not divine & that his divine nature is not human & both natures are united
Which trinity? Different denominations believe in different trinities and they excommunicated other denominations for believing in the wrong trinity as part of ecumenical councils with people voting on the truth
It changed from a list of three things that could overlap and were therefore not a counted quantity to three hypostasis to three personas to three persons all potentially having a different meaning
Then a debate occured over who proceeded from who
Sorry I don't speak or understand catholicnese. I'm talking about the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost, the Godhead. If christians deny that I doubt they are saved tbh, because the Bible is so blatant about it.
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This is correct, and based off the Eastern dyophysicitic Trinity.
Here's a simplified diagram of the lineages.
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That diagram is missing the Oriental Orthodox which is different than Church of the East ( Nestorian ) and Eastern Orthodox ( The one that split with Roman Catholicism )
There were four major groups Church of the East - Two natures of Jesus human & divine in a union of coherence-Divine not human
Oriental Orthodox -One nature of Jesus?
Eastern Orthodox - Spirit proceeds from son only
Roman Catholic - Spirit proceeds from son & father - changed the text