@dander

I have 4 laptops.

1 Linux
2 windows
1 m1 macbook

The m1 macbook unlike windows has no fragmentation so it's better optimized for things like video editing

It also runs on an tricked out arm processor so you don't have to hear an airplane takeoff anytime cpu usage goes above 50%

I'm not an apple fan, they're just tools in my toolbox.

The M1 Mac is just my go to tool for video editing animation and virtual machines

@basedbagel @dander

Makes superficial sense, but it doesn't bear closer scrutiny.

There's nothing you can't do on Mac that someone isn't already successfully doing in linux. And most likely on actively developed FOSS, though that doesn't have to be the case.

On the flipside, PC + gaming. And since WSL2 on Windows 10/11 runs most linux distros + docker, I have found almost no reason over the last few years to fire up the iMac.

Also Mac security/privacy is a disgrace.

@UncleIroh @dander U se mac for some things because they just work better due to the better optimization.

Privacy doesn't matter to me because the MAC is only for work. But Windows 11 is just as bad if not worst when it comes t privacy IMO

I'm switching to Ubuntu because Windows keeps fucking up things that work in favor of being trendy.

Gaming on windows is superior but I don't game much these days.

@UncleIroh @dander

Also a Mac is a little more secure due to it's lower install base making it not as worthwhile to create exploits for as windows.

It's not perfect but it has it's uses, especially if you do creative work.

Like I said before m1 the only apple product i liked was the ipad.

I would encourage you to try an M1 out it's a game changer for my workflow.

@basedbagel @dander

I'll pass on the M1. I've seen too many people paying the early adoption price of waiting for hardware patches/upgrades, incompatible software and exotic workarounds.

These things get resolved over time, but that's what you get for taking on 1st gen hardware.

Also for the same price of an M1, my work laptop can use 32Gb RAM whereas that's only possible on the pricier M1 Pro.

@UncleIroh @dander

I would recommend trying it at a best buy and you might be impressed.

This thing is optimized so well I hardly use the 32gb on my m1 pro and I'm running multiple VMs while rendering 4k video.

It got a little warm but no fan noise and I LOVE it!

But I understand I have specific narrow use case that justifies the absurd price. (Plus I got a student discount)

@basedbagel @dander

I'm regularly running 10+ concurrent VMs on my very old linux laptop with no issue. There's simply no use case for me in using an M1 and my security and privacy is way better, both from a hardware and software stance.

@UncleIroh @dander Are they modern OS' though?

I have windows 10, 11, linux mint, ubuntu 22, and kali running like BUTTER with no fan noise.

I know I have a niche use case but I think it's reductive to dismiss the utility of a mac altogether.

Everything has it's use.

@basedbagel @dander

Latest and greatest kernels yes. Plus I perform the odd hardware mod, flashing chips etc..

Also you can't run QubesOS on Mac hardware.

There really is nothing about a Mac that could entice me, their comparitive security/privacy is disgraceful.

@UncleIroh @dander

Fair enough, I love QubesOS but found it clunky as a daily driver.

I like my work mac because:

gigabit internet + m1 chip = blazing fast turnaround for clients.

As a new business the best way I can over-deliver is via sped.

You'll never hear a client say:

"Damn that was great! But can you get it back to me slower next time?"

@basedbagel @dander

QubesOS is an almost perfect match for me, fluid and efficient.

Also, there's the trilemna of speed, quantity, quality - pick 2 and pick well since you can't have all 3.

@UncleIroh @basedbagel @dander Thinking about switching an old laptop to it. Any good places to start. I've sort of looked into all this, but W11 I never wsnt to use. Also would there be issues with a W11 Preinstall being removed for linux entirely considering newer hardware can be fucky.

@FinalDresdonation @UncleIroh @dander

IMO start with Linux mint or Ubuntu.

Then you can branch out based on your use case.

Also I recommend starting with a virtual machine so if you break something you can just revert to a snapshot.

@basedbagel @UncleIroh @dander I've heard a bit about Mint. What would be a good VM to start with? I know there're a few different ones on the 'market'

@FinalDresdonation @UncleIroh @dander

So to run your vm I recommend virtual box.

Then get linux mint from here:https://linuxmint.com/download.php

Then I would just take a free course on youtube for the basics and you're off to the races!

@FinalDresdonation @basedbagel @dander

The Qubes site publishes a Hardware Compatibility List for those looking for hardware to use.

Thinkpads are always reliable but there's many others too.

Also, there's a forum where you can chat with more experienced users if you're looking for help.

@FinalDresdonation @basedbagel @dander

But if you're new to linux then QubesOS is not really the best option. Probably go with bagel's suggestion and go with Mint/Ubuntu.

@UncleIroh @basedbagel @dander Sounds good. I'm definitely more savvy and willing to learn than most people. It's just a time thing since most of my things are on backburner for immediate priorities. Definitely gonna make it pet project or have some weekend fun with it if I ever stop working.

@basedbagel @dander

I throw Windows in there because it's still the required OS for the majority of professional work. My use of Windows for at least the last decade has been strictly professional.

Personally, my daily driver for years has been linux; debian, fedora, kali and a few others - these are my goto's. Not ubuntu.

Security is better on Mac than Windows but both equally suck for privacy.

@UncleIroh @dander That's true privacy sucks on both mac and windows now.

Thanks to the patriot act and prism program expect that to only get worst.

I stayed away from linux as I thought it was too complex to be worth the switching cost.

Microsoft forced my hand with windows 11 I just couldn't do it anymore.

Funny thing is outside of a few bugs/driver issues most people could pay someone to setup linux and just use web apps and be WAY more secure than windows + antivirus

@basedbagel @dander

People tend to have this irrational fear of linux and it's difficulty and it's all a myth.

For years now, the installers have made things so easy it's a cakewalk. Your granny could literally use Debian/Ubuntu without ever opening up a terminal window, ever.

Simpler than Mac for normie users.

Of course, it's way more fun when you start using terminal.

@UncleIroh @dander This reminds me of a funny story.

Back when I did pc repair we had a customer come in who wanted an new OS but didn't want to pay for windows as all he did was check email and play a card game.

So my coworker installed linux mint and changed and changed some icons.

This old guy NEVER cared and continued on with no issues.

He was also WAY more secure than 99% of old people now.

I haven't quite got the terminal yet but time will tell.

@basedbagel @dander

The exact same. I have had people over 60 and kids under 8 using linux with zero issues.

@basedbagel @dander

Give kids a raspberry pi and they're happy. They can literally see everything that makes a computer work in the palm of their hand.

And once they connect it up, they can fire up the pre-installed version of minecraft and off they go.

@UncleIroh @dander

Not a fan of apple products but they have saved me MANY headaches.

Ever since I got my mom all apple products I don't get incessant calls asking me how to do things anymore.

She just figures it out intuitively.

I've accepted that normies want trendy things that work.

They HATE troubleshooting no matter how simple the issue is so for them I recommend mac/windows >linux