It finally happened.
Someone other than TFM actually mentioned the Kolberg vs Gilligan stages of moral development.
HoeMath clearly watches TFM:
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=xbF17FiiD1M&t=1177s
If that link doesn't load 1st time, keep trying. YouTube is trying hard to block it. The timestamp is 19m39s.
@UncleIroh Oy vey, it's Kolberg's model. Moral development has less to do with the morals themselves and more with overcoming the different moral traps (parents, law and church).
A "stage 5" individual will share a similar thought process to a "stage 1" newborn in a situation where they're personally involved, they will pick the option they think benefits them as much as possible.
And when it comes to judging the morality of others, they will side with the party they identify with the most.
@UncleIroh And stage 6 apparently means the person is willing to go to jail for what they believe in, which has little to do with moral development and more so with other personality traits.
No such thing as a universal principle either.
While there are some differences between how men and women judge the world, it's not as steep as that comparison, not in current year at least, especially when talking about people of similar intellect.
@Based_Accelerationist @UncleIroh
So how do you advance to a higher stage as a society beyond the law and order stage?
@shortstories Depends on what "higher" means. Kolberg's stages only have to do with an individual's personal growth as they overcome different authority figures and form their own belief system.
If you mean more collectivist, then the highest stage a society could reach would be that of a hivemind and people would achieve it with the help of brain chips.
Now if you're talking about a society going from stage 4 to a system less focused on collective law&order, the only solution is depopulation.
@shortstories Well, the problem is the model is Jewish nonsense. A "law and order" morality is just "avoiding punishment", "self-interest" and "good boy attitude", but directed at society at large, instead of one's parents.
People NEVER go past those stages, because they aren't "stages", they're human nature. The only stages consist on overcoming different authority figures, that's it.
So the only way for individuals to care more about "principles" than those other things, is with brain chips.
@Based_Accelerationist
In the video he rated stages of something based on the diagram in the picture
Higher stages are higher on the diagram
By higher level as a society I mean the average mode of the number of people reached a higher stage on the diagram he posted
For example if the greatest number of people were at "avoiding punishment" the mode would be at "avoiding punishment" but if the greatest number of people were at "principle" the mode would be "principle"
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=xbF17FiiD1M