@Zeb @Stahesh You're not going to collapse the system. The system is already set to collapse and it will happen on their terms, not yours.
White men who don't have kids to "own the system", are only doing the elites a favor.
Your argument also relies on the false notion that you'll be allowed to create a new system once this one collapses. The West's collapse is by design and there's nowhere to run to. This is not the time to think about "rebuilding".
MGTOW is White Genocide, nothing more.
@Zeb @Stahesh By "engage" I don't mean work from within the system. You know I would never say that.
My point is, if you give up raising a family so you can avoid the system and its traps, then you lose. You have to face the system's traps head on, engage with it as necessary, so you can do what your biology asks you to do and IF you get screwed, then "do the thing".
Those who disengage and choose sex dolls over their genetic legacy will NEVER do the thing. That is the truth.
@Zeb @Stahesh MGTOW is the solution if the problem is pain. It's not a solution to anything else.
If society punishes you for engaging and so you stop engaging, then the enemy wins. MGTOW is not all that's left, you can fight the system, but that requires you to engage with it. And as you said, only those with nothing to lose, will be willing to act.
Who is the guy with nothing to lose? The one living happily by himself, disengaged from reality? Or the one being dragged through family court?
@Zeb @Stahesh Would those men have done something, if they didn't have children? The answer is "no".
In Canada, during covid, truckers were the ones resisting tyranny. They had families, they had a lot to lose. It's not kids that make men weak and less likely to act, quite the contrary.
It's when life is easy, when you have money, sex dolls and video games, that there's no reason to die for the future. Those men have a lot to lose and nothing to fight for.
MGTOW is not the solution.
@Stahesh Indeed. And in addition to creating communities, there's a system that needs to be destroyed, or else no one will be allowed to opt out of it, once it's in place. And how will men find the will to fight and "do the thing" even if individually, even if it means they'll have to sacrifice everything? By having kids and not walking away.
The lives TFM "saved" are men who could've had children and made a difference. Men need to be burned by the system to burn it in return.
@amerika Yup. I just hope zoomers don't fall for his act. Everyone's promoting Christianity now and they want you to believe the problem with migration isn't that the foreigners don't share your race/ethnicity, NO it's that they're Muslim! Lol.
Let's hope Whites put race first soon, or else there won't be another chance.
If you put your genes first, you are a "Race Idolater", an "Ethnic Narcissist", says Judeo Christian Nick Fuentes.
"We must love everyone like we love ourselves because we all put Jesus on a cross."
Such a nice globalist slogan.
And here I thought groypers disliked Jews for killing Yeshua, turns out we all did it.
Is it any wonder why this gay Mexican has been chosen to lead the "noticer" movement? Just wait until he goes on Joe Rogan.
Forget your race goy, be a good little noahide instead.
If preventing White men from having children is "saving lives", then an abortion clinic is the ultimate life saver.
Men who buy Chinese sex dolls, men who don't have kids, men who think women are the problem, are men who will never fight for their genetic legacy. Their lives and their deaths will be wasted.
"Take women's rights away" is a nonsensical idea. Women have no rights, men have no rights, we're all slaves and women aren't the ones holding this cage together.
MGTOW is a psyop.
@amerika That's true. However, the "atheist Jew" is mostly a facade. Jews who aren't religious at all, usually don't get any benefits and are mostly on their own, they don't even think of themselves as Jews.
But those who want benefits (free loans, Jewish heritage, legal protection, communities that aren't poisoned like the goyim, etc.) they all must engage with Judaism to some extent. In practice, they are religious, even if on a personal level some don't believe it and stick to the holidays.
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@amerika Well, Jews do operate as an organized entity, for two major reasons: they avoided race mixing to a larger extent than most and their entire religion is about racial supremacy.
While they disagree on some issues, they work as a hivemind, as Devon Stack shows us. It's genetic.
The internet is indeed focused on Jews since October 7, partly by design, but also because the elites are majority Jews. Not to mention, the entire world is following them, thanks to Christianity and Islam.
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"I have yet to find a Christian that puts race first."
Me either, but that is because Christianity is symbolic and therefore anti-realistic.
Realists recognize race, ethnicity, and caste genetic distinctions.
"I have yet to find a Christian that puts race first."
Me either, but that is because Christianity is symbolic and therefore anti-realistic.
Realists recognize race, ethnicity, and caste genetic distinctions.
@amerika @Zergling_man It seems that way. I have yet to find a Christian that puts race first. I've spoken to Mormons, some who even claimed to be totally pro-White, but NONE of them could answer Devon's question. Not a single one would say, I choose to save my people, I put race first. And none of them had a problem with their messiah being Jewish.
Meanwhile Judaism literally exists to serve Jewish racial interests and subjugate non-Jews.
@vic And Jews do not hate Christianity, not since Christians left Israel to conquer the goyim, which is WHY they fast for Saint Peter and are on record praising your religion since at least the middle ages.
Christianity wasn't psyoped, Christianity IS the psyop. Which is why everyone from Tucker Carlson to Alex Jones, promotes that desert religion. Everyone must await and accept the coming of the Jewish messiah, everyone must see Israel as the center of the world, every knee shall bow.
@vic You're purposefully conflating criticism against Israel's leadership, which is normal for rabbis, especially one that wanted to be "the King of Jews", with being against Jewish leaders in general, which Jesus was not. The first pope was a Jew, so your argument is automatically invalid.
It was Christianity that put Jews in charge of religion in White countries. Jewish power grew alongside Christianity, Jews were nothing before your religion. Facts debunk your narrative. Why keep lying?
@vic Absolutely no one spoke or wrote about Abraham before Christianity, other than Jews. It's a Jewish story.
Jesus was called a Judean/Jew, he was circumcised, they all practiced Jewish traditions, they were not gentiles. It's a Jewish religion through and through.
And since you didn't respond to the initial topic, I hope it's clear that the church was ALWAYS working against Whites.
I'm on the side of my genes, maybe you should remember those before you pray to a god that chose the Jews.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfried Oh he would, he pretty much said that on video. He literally laughs at the idea of Christians killing pagan Whites too.
@vic The first pope was a Jew, the apostles were Jews, Jesus was a Jew, all the first Christians were Jews. They destroyed the White-looking noses of the Roman statues. They promoted the Torah, they celebrated the Passover in the very first Church. They were circumcised.
Romans blamed Rome's fall on Christianity, their Christian leaders told them to care more about the spiritual realm and less about the physical.
Then came the Dark Ages and Christianity was free to torture and persecute Whites
@vic History debunks your "we just need some housekeeping bro" claim. In 380, Christianity became the official religion in Rome. The next year, the persecution of non-Christian Whites began. Their temples, attacked, their holidays turned into workdays and by 394, Rome's eternal flame was extinguished because it was deemed "pagan". By the time Rome fell, the Church was more powerful than ever, while everyone else was indebted to Jews. The Church was ALWAYS the enemy of Whites, it was run by Jews.
@VooDooMedic It's a chill debate, but some good points were made.
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