@MrpoopyButhole You know how different groups have different virtue signals? Leftists just spout muh diversity and inclusivity. Conservatives just say god, guns and country to let their own know where they stand.

In individualist circles, would you say telling everyone that you try to think for yourself and do free thinker thinking stuff is a virtue signal to the group?

@ButtWorldsMan @MrpoopyButhole

Libertarians and individualists by definition care the least about signalling to the group. They know that the collective noun for a group of individualists is called an "oxymoron".

Also, history proves that only religions have the power to bind groups across the span of centuries.

@UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan the taoist religion is deboooooonked then?

@MrpoopyButhole @ButtWorldsMan

Your example speaks more to my claim than yours, since Taosim is an actual religion that has spanned centuries. That was my precise claim.

If your point is that Taosim is Libertarian in nature then that also speaks to my claim, since there has been no specific period in which Taoists have held official state power.

It has often been at odds with the ruling government, and it was even banned during the Communist takeover of China in 1949.

Take the L.

@UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan the values align and we all signal our virtue either explicitly or implicitly. We publicly express our morality either with words or actions. Peter Schiff does it all the time.

@MrpoopyButhole @ButtWorldsMan

Yes, we all signal virtue.

But unless the values we signal can be reproduced and passed down beyond 1 or 2 generations, they are sideshows. Spalshing around in a tidepool.

The majority of people don't even know who Peter Schiff is, let alone have him impact their values.

@UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan you pass down values with community communication indoctrination etc. Different values pass down differently. Stability lasts the longest maybe?

@MrpoopyButhole @ButtWorldsMan

Take any corner of TFM's triangle and each *requires* religion if they wish to enjoy state power beyond 2-3 generations.

I don't know what to tell you man. This is just a factual descriptor of reality. I'm not even making prescriptions or advocating for solutions here, this is just base reality.

@UncleIroh @MrpoopyButhole @ButtWorldsMan Values must be enshrined in something to last beyond a single generation, yes. This was in part the purpose of myths and religions. Religion is not the only way though historically it has been the easiest way to pass down values because a religion that offers answers to ontological or metaphysical questions can easily propagate them beyond a single generation, but it must work. A perfectly designed religion that lasts only one generation is a dead one.