@Tfmonkey The idea that Russia wouldn't retaliate to the west nuking them is ridiculous. The Russia has a system in place called "the dead hand" which will automatically nuke the west if the west does a strategic first strike. This automated system does not give a fuck about politics or empathy, because its basically a simple yet robust expert system (AI precursor) that does not blink when threatened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand
So next time Halsey says "nuh uh" bring this up "the dead hand."
@shortstories @Tfmonkey Take it up with the Russians, they have this system in place. The G7 can roll the die on whether or not it will work, but the Russians spent a lot of time and money developing it and implementing it.
@ergo @Tfmonkey @shortstories Why wouldn't they be real? Far more difficult, gruesome, and cruel methods of killing others were developed and implemented.
@ergo @Tfmonkey @shortstories Thats ridiculous, because there are manual over-rides that must constantly be engaged to PREVENT it from attacking. A locomotive has a button on it that has to be pressed every hour, otherwise the brakes automatically engage. Automatic systems that engage without constant human intervention are common. They are used in nuclear power plants to control the reactor core and prevent meltdown if people walk away. The inverse is also true for the Dead Hand.
@ergo @Tfmonkey @shortstories To an engineer, it is mechanistically identical, regardless of the societal outcome, the machines do not know or care. It like a tripwire or sentry turret, such machines do not care if the cop and his polished badge has a warrant or not, nor does the machine care about their fancy titles, or proclamations that they have "authority" to do whatever. Sentry turret go BRRRR. Same with dead hand. If it doesn't receive its routine stand down signal, it will activate.
The point is you can afford to have a train stop and be late or a nuclear plant go down and lose some money but you can't afford to nuke the USA by accident.
Much less important things are not automated due to fear of malfunction, nuclear war is perhaps the most important thing one can think of.
@ergo @Tfmonkey @shortstories An accidental nuking is effectively impossible. It would require extreme human negligence. The order to not reset the timer would need to be given out, in which case just activate the launch sequence manually. Its technically possible to do this, engineering it is trivial, and the incentive to make it is there. You're still thinking this is an AI system that can interpret data, thats not how it works. Its nothing more than a timer thats reset on a recurring basis.
There is no timer that if not pressed would set off a nuclear attack, that's what they did on the TV show Lost, a show, not real life.
@ergo @Tfmonkey @shortstories The Russian military is incompetent? Is that why they've recently defeated NATO in a proxy war? Nobody denies, not even NATO, the existence of the Dead Hand system. Nobody is going to "accidentally" forget to reset the dead hand. It would require untold dozens, potentially hundreds of people, simultaneously, to all forget to their their one job, which is to reset the dead hand. It takes ALL parties, simultaneously, to not reset it. That's very reliable.
Russians can win with an incompetent military because the other militarizes are more incompetent
How can they have super high tech in the military if the military is incompetent? Most of the people in militaries are incompetent but there are a small minority of competent people less than 20% of them building the super high tech. These competent people are competent at specific skills but blind order followers are not ethically competent.
@ergo @Tfmonkey @shortstories The dead hand does not detect nuclear attacks. The dead hand automatically activates if humans do not periodically prevent it from activating. Its a time bomb that needs to be constantly reset. If its not reset, it assumes that everyone in Russia is dead, and activates the launch sequence automatically.
So what percent of people can activate the dead hand to prevent nuclear launches
Is it only a small number of people who know how to do it
Or is it easy to activate the dead hand to prevent nuclear launches where almost anyone could prevent it as long as some people are alive
@shortstories @ergo @Tfmonkey We don't know. Some have speculated that the infamous Russian Number Station radios that are likely transmitting one time passes are a component to the system that's preventing Dead Hand from activating, but thats purely speculative. We just don't know.
Fake Nukes Phil is so convinced Nukes are not real that he calls himself fake nukes
He is in a lot of videos talking about how stuff is fake
You know who’s good at short stories, the dudes at NICECREW DIGITAL.
Not joking
People are generally terrible at logic. It's inevitable that expert systems exist for precise scenarios. I would expect them & us, to have several such active systems.
They would ultimately work on deductive logic, i.e. the conclusion (trigger) is guaranteed to be true if the premises are true.
A simple version:
P1: every requirement of a complex set has been met
P2: no human intervention within specified period
C: Unleash hell
Basically a thermonuclear stop-loss.
@Engineer @Tfmonkey
How would they know the AI would work if they never could test it without nuking something and how do they know the AI will not accidentally nuke at some random unintended time in which no one is attacking them?