@KingOfWhiteAmerica Hey, I see you're Orthodox. Does that mean Eastern Orthodoxy? I have some questions you may have the answer to, either way. Are they futurist / dispensationalists? If I had a different eschatological perspective than what the church teaches, I would not really be accepted, right? I heard that they even somewhat distanced themselves from Eastern Orthodox people who use different calendars.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica So, great example you brought up, so let's use that: preterism --if I were a partial preterist, would most "jurisdictions" say I had to renounce it? Or just not teach it? How would that work? Would they go as far as to call me heretical?
@RoninGrey Of course, I’m not your Father Confessor, so my answers cannot hold any authority over you - so it exists in the hypothetical. From what I can tell, it would depend upon the specifics of what you believe regarding End Times. Some parts of our eschatology could very well be called “partial-preterism” iirc. Others, not so much. We could consider whether or not you believe the quotes from the Creed. If you struggle with those, I’m guessing you’ll have a struggle with your Father Confessor. Apologies that I’m less well-versed with partial-Preterism than I used to be; I considered myself that during most of my “Protestant Interlude”. I liked Hank Hanegraaf’s take quite a bit.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica I believe Christ literally did return (at least one more visit is coming), as He told his disciples, in many of their lifetimes. Just like the Jews expected the Messiah would come and physically deliver them at his one-and-only visit, they were mistaken about the timeline of events. I believe we, too, will find ourselves mistaken about quite a bit in how we understood prophecy.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica Thanks for the help, brother. Like the heart of my pastor, I'm really trying to just be part of the solution instead of causing more trouble to people around me from what many Christians in the past have done. I wish you well.
@RoninGrey @KingOfWhiteAmerica This was a great conversation to read after the fact. Orthodoxy has all kinds of interesting nooks to explore, so I am learning more and more. The communities I've encountered are also stronger than any Protestant group I've encountered, save for the Anabaptists like the Mennonites and the Amish.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica @DoubleD @RoninGrey
I can't tell you guys how great it is to see more men in this space becoming Orthodox enquirers.
@UncleIroh @DoubleD @RoninGrey Wholly completely agree. In my case it was more like Orthodoxy found me, and above all I was surprised by it; a few times, tbh. The first time I went and looked it up (on Wikipedia), I was surprised to discover it’s actually as Trinitarian as I am; I guess I’d just assumed it was something weird. But I found myself mildly shocked I was agreeing point by point with everything I read. I was already attached to a congregation though, and filed it away into the “interesting trivia” brain-box.
@RegalBeagle @KingOfWhiteAmerica @DoubleD @RoninGrey @UncleIroh I second this request.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica Thanks!
@KingOfWhiteAmerica @DoubleD @N_Y_SparkyOxCable @RegalBeagle @UncleIroh That's great, man. Thank you.
I’d first recommend “An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith” by St. John of Damascus.
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf209.iii.iv.i.i.html
I recommed praying first; then just devouring it, and highlighting anything you think is “weird” or “off”. Then, I recommend reading a more modern / contemporary book like Clark Carlton’s *The Faith* and see if any of your highlights come up in that book. It often does a good job with clarifying what may amount to a cultural misunderstanding or whatnot.
A popular old “industry standard” is *The Orthodox Church* by Bp. Timothy Kallistos Ware; but only if you can find a first or second edition because it went downhill each time they released it.
If you’ve been out of The Word for a while, just start with Clark Carlton’s *The Faith*. It’s mostly harmless