I like Ryan Dawson but his stance on the confederacy makes no sense.
You can't rep a treasonous flag and call yourself a patriot SMH
@basedbagel Treasonous against who? Was it against a tyrannical federalist government body that wanted to put itself above the united states and centralize its power over them?
Razorfist would like a word with you.
@ButtWorldsMan You're missing my point.
My point is that people who support the confederacy consider themserlves patriots which makes no sense to me.
BOTH the north and the south wanted power/resources.
I have no romance with the north but trying to make it seem like the confederacy were some peace-loving planters protecting states rights is asinine.
Both sides were amoral and power hungry.
@basedbagel Patriotism toward the idea of the united states as it should be. There's no big contradiction here. Just as there wouldn't be any contradiction in Jan 6ers calling themselves patriotic despite the feds labeling them insurrectionists.
@ButtWorldsMan I agree with you but i have to stay consistent with my views.
Winners of wars dictate the rules.
The south lost the war and the north won so its treason.
I would say the same thing to nazis, native americans or any other group that lost a war
So while I agree in their mind they are correct and in principle I agree.
In reality you have to win AND be right.
Now Dawson just looks like a sore loser waving a century+ old losing flag which is a shame.
@basedbagel @ButtWorldsMan the South were the side loyal to the vision of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. They were the patriotic side.
The country has gone to shit and I'm not patriotic anymore. America died and the Cathedral are wearing it's corpse like a costume as they push communism.
But when did it die? In the Civil War.
"South were the side loyal to the vision of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. They were the patriotic side."
That's true but the problem with that line of thinking is that the native Americans can use the same argument.
They can say they were the true patriots and the evil white man defeated them with dubious tactics like breaking treaties and ruined the country so they won't recognize the US, only their native American tribe.
Do you see what I mean?
@basedbagel @ButtWorldsMan What do the Native Americans have to do with one's patriotism? That's completely irrelevant.
At least the Natives versus the colonists was a stand up fight. The Progressives just used welfare and Marxism to corrupt the country.
"What do the Native Americans have to do with one's patriotism? "
My original post was about Ryan Dawson who is part native american.
My point was you can't be patriotic to a country that doesn't exist even if you're right in principle.
I don't like it at all but you have to capitulate to the winners of wars.
Those who can't win wars must adapt and move on.
That's why you're a trans woman and I'm a dual citizen.
@basedbagel @ButtWorldsMan I agree that those who understand the South was right and the Progressives are cancer shouldn't call themselves Patriotic.
Even if you love the idea and values of what America once stood for, that America is dead.
It's like saying you're still a devoted husband to your ex-wife after she divorced you and took all your stuff. That woman you love doesn't exist anymore. That marriage you had doesn't exist anymore.
@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan Not so fast you cheeky monkey! I see what you did there.
"Progressives are cancer "-I agree
"South was right"- i disagree, from personal experience most southerners are NOT freedom lovers.
They're self-interested. States rights served as a justification for a select few to rake an immense slavery profits tax free.
If federal law protected slavery they would have ben all for it.
On top of that they lost the war due to some pretty poor strategy on their part IMO.
@basedbagel @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan Poor strategy you need to do more research,the Union army had a constant flow of immigrants to pit against the South sound familiar to what’s happening today history repeats itself, I personally think Abraham Lincoln time traveled back in time that is why he was freakishly tall by the way and his ruthless war crimes are the only reason the south lost but I wouldn’t expect someone with a unleavened hole like you to comprehend
@Scubbie @basedbagel @ButtWorldsMan being pro freedom and being self interested are not mutually exclusive. All values are based on self interest even if they are opposites.
The South was also morally right, but history isn't written by the morally right who lose wars, so it doesn't matter.
Russia was also morally right to invade Ukraine. That doesn't mean Russia isn't acting in self interest or that Putin is a Saint.
@Scubbie @ButtWorldsMan
Fair enough @Tfmonkey but we agree the south is morally right.
I just question the authenticity given the fatcats who financed the war didn't care about the freedom of those they profited from.
They only cared about freedom when it threatened their bottom line so I doubt their sincerity.
Back to Ryan Dawson he left and is married with kids to a south korean woman. Hasn't even paid us taxes since Bush
He already wom but he still won't put the flag down and move on.