Joined Dec 2022
...much more difficult without electricity. So the desire to punish, must be tempered by the demands of practicality. An emphasis on crime prevention is much more preferable, to harsh punishments.
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Prepping is an investment in the future. No one wants to put all the effort it takes, into building a community, only to see it fall apart.
So I'm looking for feedback, and devil's advocacy. Because I want to see my efforts succeed. The future, fast approaches.🥃
3) Who is fit to judge? - I really like the jury system, and the american bill of rights. There can be no such thing as perfect justice. And in the absence of video evidence or electronic records, the jury system is about as fair as justice gets.
4) The balance of necessity, and a desire for justice - Finding a way to prosper as a community, in a post-collapse world, will likely be an "all hands on deck" affair. Deindustrialization will mean that every able body is needed, because life is ➡️
2) simplicity - The code of law should be simple, and easily understood. While I don't object to the existence of lawyers, in principle... The law should be simple enough that any citizen can serve as a lawyer. A dispassionate advocate (without his own neck to worry about), will probably make a case more competently, than someone swayed by concern and anxiety for their own future. But the law should be simple.
...to resolve any in-group conflict that should arise.
And I have a few thoughts on the subject - a few principles that may be worth considering for anyone planning a community, or who should ever find themselves in a situation where it comes up out of necessity (such as in a post-collapse hellscape, for example).
1) practicality - how enforceable is a law? It's easy enough to say what should, or should not, be. But how easily can this be made into a reality? Who will enforce it? And how?
For legal reasons, let's consider what can be called: principles and theory of law - applicable to any legal system (past, present, and future, extant or hypothetical).
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When Prepping, there comes a point when broader considerations come to mind - when you've covered enough of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that interpersonal interactions come to the fore. This to me, is when law should be considered.
What is the purpose of law? Primarily, to prevent in-group conflict. And secondarily, ➡️
I can easily envision a future that's like a Jackson Pollock painting: the canvas is the wasteland - a lawless wilderness of savage barbarity. And all the flecks of paint are attempts at civilization. Most will be improvised, and will exist only due to random alignment of circumstances. Very few will be well considered and planned. And through Darwinian processes, the fit communities will survive.
So what makes a community fit? I'd wager it would be the law that they choose to live under.
@dander - Yeeesh...! 😮💨
@basedbagel - I would have liked to think so... but now I think I would've been mistaken.
Thankfully, the establishment is incompetent. I'll take it. 🍻
@furgar - Well, the man's not wrong.
@37712 - I was gonna say "Challenge accepted."
But then I watched it, and I'm like "nah. Can't do it." 😂
@RodrickSage - I'm due for a good read. I'll check that out. Thanks! 🍻
@37712 @basedbagel - Yeah... I wasn't anti-vax 3 years ago. But nowadays? Fuck that shit with a rusty hammer.
There are vaxed folks I will miss, but societal collapse is never easy. 🫗 We just do the best we can.
@37712 @basedbagel - So... for these reasons and others, I'd prefer to de-cuck the West.
I think of the West dying, along the same lines as when a king dies: "The West is dead. Long live the West."
I intend to rebuild what I can, without women's rights. But as long as Muslims can be good neighbors, I have no beef with Muslims. 🍻
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8) I like alcohol on occasion. 😉
5) I don't like theocracies, as a general rule.
6) I'm not sure where the Islamic world stands on free market capitalism, but I'd bet money the West has a stronger tradition of it, cucked though it may be.
7) The Islamic world doesn't strike me as having a particularly strong tradition of using the scientific method (medieval times not withstanding). And even if I'm currently preparing for a dark age, I do like the scientific method.
@37712 @basedbagel - That's fair enough. There are a few reasons that I don't go for Islam though:
1) the treatment of "heresy". I don't feel like getting stoned for asking questions.
2) compulsory participation in Ramadan. If I'm fasting, I prefer to be in charge of that.
3) I like property rights in the traditional Western conception.
4) the evangelism. I can't stand bible-thumpers, and I'm concerned that Muslims are generally just koran-thumpers with an AK-47.
@RodrickSage - And while abstract concepts are easy enough for reasonable people to agree upon, translating those reasonable concepts into reality, among such flawed creatures as humans, is a monumental task.
So that's why I debate, and ponder. It's an effort to tease out a way of living in harmony with our flawed nature, while creating the best world that can be achieved.
@RodrickSage - Perhaps the question is rhetorical... but I'll give a literal answer as to why I spend energy pondering such things:
I'm anticipating societal collapse. There's really no such thing as clean slate when building a society (as in video games - which I enjoy), but rebuilding in the aftermath of collapse is as close as humanity ever gets, to a fresh start. And when the task of rebuilding falls upon our shoulders, it's worth taking the time and effort, to rebuild for the ages.
@basedbagel - The experience was humbling though, and left me with more questions than answers.
Beyond those three personal discoveries listed above, anything is up for debate, as far as I'm concerned.
And the way I see it, whatever or whoever God may be... If he wants us to know him, then asking questions is always fair game. 🍻
@basedbagel - some things.
1) There is a God
2) Death is not the end of existence
3) And the implication of me not dying, is that we are meant to live for as long as we are able.
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I understand many people will find this to be unbelievable, or will dismiss a near death experience as hallucination.
I have paid good money to hallucinate before... and I know it wasn't that. But if others are dismissive, it doesn't bother me. 💁🏻♂️ I just happen to know these things, and that's enough for me.
@basedbagel - I'm no atheist, but I generally despise churches. The dynamic is all wrong in a church - far too much obedience.
I'm not a Christian either... Trinity never made sense, and after carrying Jesus's message to its logical conclusion, Jesus isn't someone I would choose to follow.
I believe God has many names, and there's room for mystery. I'm leaning toward Paganism these days.
Also, I had a near death experience during a young suicide attempt many years ago, that convinced me of ➡️
Joined Dec 2022
