Hot take: I don't mind reparations but I just don't see how it can logically be implemented.
1. Are there good records of who has slave ancestry and who doesn't?
2. What about other races who were slaves? Do they get a check too or is it blacks only?
3. For blacks that descend from free men/slave owners, should they now pay into the reparations pool of $ to be redistributed?
4. How much $ do they get?
IMO the best time for reparations was right after the civil war, Now it's too complex
If Bishop Bagel was going in charge of the US reparations department I wouldn't give cash.
I would give them some time of tuition voucher they can use to learn a skill or a trade.
That would be the best way IMO because most people aren't good with managing lumpsums of 💰
"The math death squad would round people up and put them in camps to force them to learn math if they could not answer basic math questions. If they refused to practice math they would be executed. "
"She did keep her promise of reparations. Whenever someone was executed their money was put in a reparations fund. This money was then given to black people with ancestors born in the United States during or prior to Jim Crow laws"
https://worldchristianfaith.blogspot.com/2023/07/officer-kunta-kinte-said-open-up-math.html
Surviving blacks rich
You're conflating benefits given to the poor with benefits for blacks.
Grants and UNI preferences are available for most minority groups but they did a study and found white women benefitted from it the most and asian men were hurt the most.
What I propose is a tuition credit for EVERY descendant of a slave regardless of skin color.
Also you can thank no child left behind under bush for letting kids pass high school while being unable to read.
1 Only descendants of slave masters should pay reparations
2 There is a problem that slave masters had biological children with their slaves in that someone should get reparations from their slave master ancestors but are entitled to reparations because of their slave ancestors
3 Descendants of union people whose ancestors fought to oppose slavery in the civil war war would not owe reparations to slaves but would owe it to the south for Sherman's total war
All good points.
This is why I said the civil war was the PERFECT time to de reparations.
You could have just added it onto the south's war debt or redistributed slave owner's land if you like.
Now we have issues like #2 that I'm not entirely sure how to solve
But IMO wtth #2 you should be judged by your father's side as from what I've read female slaves didn't do much and had it pretty easy since they were expensive.
College tuition is a bad form of reparations unless you remove certain majors
You would essentially being paying money to make people more Democrat Party biased
Remove Social Science Options
Remove Psychology, Sociology, Gender Studies, Ethnic Group Studies like Africology
Remove Statistics
Remove Environmental Science
Remove Religious Studies
Remove Literature
Keep Linguistics, Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, Health Sciences - Like nursing, Math, Computer Science
>You would essentially being paying money to make people more Democrat Party biased
Damn that's a good point...
How about a tuition credit to any 2-year college or trade school of choice?
That way you have real skills - the brainwashing plus you would save alot more $$ this way.
You can get majors in Democratic Party bias stuff in a 2 year college
It is just an associate degree in the same major that you can get a bachelor's masters or PhD for
My dude 80% of black men and 93% of black women vote for the democratic party.
It's so over.
You might as well just let them pick AFAIC if they pick wrong that's their problem.
Our moral duty is just to pay back the wages stolen from their ancestor.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
There are hard working black people and there are lazy black people
The lazy black people will take majors that do not use math and do not require honest intellectual or physical labor
They may take something that involves dishonest intellectual labor
As such they will major in something that uses statistics but not real math like a social science which will be democrat party biased
Will also avoid linguistics
Hard working black people are already rich if they are not disabled
Because of the ideology that drives them to keep voting Democrat they will demand more reparations no matter how much reparations you give them
Giving them reparations will enable them to survive long enough to breed more
This will result in more parasites
You only make the problem worse by giving them hand outs
They need to be retrained in math work camps
Bobby Fischer who is ofJewish ancestry
said Jews hated Hitler because he made them work and they did not like to work
>Giving them reparations will enable them to survive long enough to breed more
Blacks people aren't waiting on reparations to breed in case you haven't noticed...
>You only make the problem worse by giving them hand outs
No I SOLVE the problem. You can't blame evil whitey if you got your reparations $.
>They need to be retrained in math work camps
WTF? NO that's a flagrant human rights abuse that will bite us in the ass.
It would lower infant and child mortality so someone can reach a old enough age to be able to reproduce
It would also provide better care for pregnant women and their children to survive child birth
It will also raise life expectancy in welfare supporting men giving them more years to breed
People already gave them stuff then they did not say the people who gave them stuff were not to blame but demanded more stuff
@shortstories Once again these are GOV welfare programs for ALL people of lower income.
What I propose is a bill directed at reimbursing direct descendants of former slaves the wages they would have otherwise earned.
Once that bill is passed they will have NO CHOICE but to move forward.
Yes there will be always holdouts is the same way some southerners still cling to the confederate flag.
The difference is noone will take them seriously anymore as the moral highground is gone.
They will say that your Bill did not give them enough
They will become a powerful lobby / riot group
They will use the money to advance their political interests by bribing politicians & rioting with purchased guns
There will also be Africans from Africa whose ancestors actually sold African Americans ancestors into slavery coming over claiming their ancestors were black slaves from America & it is racist to demand ID that they can not afford because their ancestors were slaves
If you use the money to only let them get college then their will be a flood of them getting degrees teaching at Universities that they should get even more money and again the problem gets worse not better
More people would take their side because they would own the University system being the majority of PhD holders allowed to teach
@shortstories This is a slippery slope fallacy.
The jews got reparations for the holocaust.
The Japs got reparations for the interment camps from WW2
The blacks deserve reparations as well.
If they don't think it's enough, that's too bad.
I.DONT,CARE
Think of all the money used to investigate the ancestry of people who you do not know their fathers?
And what about the ancestry of adopted people?
Might be a good thing order every person to get a mandatory DNA test so you can know the ancestry for the slave reparations
It would cause cheating women to get caught
@shortstories It's not as expensive as you'd think.
Only 6-10% of people owned slaves and they kept decent records IIRC.
The media wants you to believe EVERY white person was a rich slaveowner and EVERY black person was a destitutute slave which is not the case.
The Jews should not have gotten reparations for the holocaust, giving them reparations has not prevented them from getting more reparations
Israel is funded on war reparations
The Korean War, Vietnam war and every American war in the middle east after WW2 was caused by America siding with Communist Russia instead of Germany during WW2
The families that started the federal reserve banking system in 1913 owe everyone else reparations
A large percent of them are Jewish
>The Jews should not have gotten reparations
No, you can't just steal people's property and send them to camps they deserve reparations.
>Israel is funded on war reparations
I would say blackmail and bribery but same results so...
>The families that started the federal reserve banking system in 1913 owe everyone else reparations
I agree in principle but GOOD LUCK getting reparations from the 12 families lol
They were sent to the camps for crimes like endorsing communism, declaring war on Germany in 1933 and so on
Other than children of Jews whose parents were suspected criminals who were put there not to be separated from their parents
About 80% of Jews are Democrat today
There were functioning synagogues during world war 2 for the Jews that were deemed to be proven loyal to Germany who were not put into camps
If the Jews were not put into camps most Germans would die even Jews
>They will say that your Bill did not give them enough
I don't give a shit, Just like with the confederate flag sypmathizers , they need to wash the sand out of their vagina and move on.
>They will become a powerful lobby / riot group
LOL
>There will also be Africans from Africa whose ancestors actually sold African Americans ancestors into slavery coming over
Don't care, we have records of this, no records = no $$
@basedbagel @shortstories Why the fuck do they need reparations though? The ones who needed it are long dead, and the ones who ought to pay are long dead too.
Just teach them economics, and give them their own land with a copy of the constitution, but for them (to avoid the shithole that is Liberia), and since most black people live in cities, there's not even the need to build infraestructure to kickstart them, let New York/Jersey be the reparation and send the ones who want reparations there
>Why the fuck do they need reparations though?
To spare you a lecture that would make me sound like a leftist:
They deserve reparations because (mostly southern) whites went overboard with segragation, jim crow, redlining and torturing their slaves
This is morally wrong and unconstitutional but nothing could be done until recently since they weren't "people" under the law.
Also many people still benefit from the slave $ as well as discriminatory policies. ▶️
You also may be wondering why I as a bagel give a shit?
Well i noticed that when blacks were being enslaved they dehumanized them 1st with racist propaganda.
This is LITERALLY happening to non-leftist white men as we speak .
They're running the same playbook they did with blacks to us. I'd like to get this race bullshit out of the way so we can take on the elites and right this ship before they take total power.
I know it sounds optimistic but I think it's possible.
@basedbagel @shortstories @basedbagel @shortstories I don't now if it's possible, but I do know it's necessary, this type of things will always be used in the future to attack, subvert and demoralize the people by an ill intentioned opponent. Actions that go too far beyond what's rational and needed will definitely be remembered, especially in this era of mass communication.
>I don't now if it's possible, but I do know it's necessary
Agreed
>this type of things will always be used in the future to attack, subvert and demoralize the people by an ill intentioned opponent
You saying this means more to me thank you'll ever know.
I've been tyring to explain EXACTLY THAT to stubborn ass southerners but they REFUSE to see it and cling to their confederate flags or call me a jew or a n-word-lover
@basedbagel @shortstories Damn, just googled it and segregation was even within living memory, sorry didn't knew that.
@doggel @shortstories Its all good bro! We learn something new everyday
Southern Whites or Southern Jews that say they are not White when they do something good and that they are Jewish when they get caught doing something bad
Plus they could walk north during Jim Crow
Plus Jim Crow is Democrat Dixiecrat Policy and Lincoln was a Republican and they vote Democrat
Kind of like they want bad things to happen to them
You should post this on poa dot st or nicecrew dot digital
They are the people you have to persuade
My suggested Urban locations for the new black city to give as a gift to African Americans
Jerusalem, Israel
Tel Aviv, Israel
Skokie, Illinois
Mississippi
Detroit Michigan
Nigeria
China
North Korea
Ukraine
Washington DC
San Francisco, California
Suggested territory for black ethnostate and other groups by someone else here
>Jews hated Hitler because he made them work and they did not like to work
I'm pretty damn sure they hated him because he murdered millions of their people and used them as a scapegoat for Germany's economic problems to take power. 🤷♂️
@shortstories I agree.
TBH Idrc who is lazy or intellectually honest.
Once Bishop Bagel issues the tuition credit it's all on them and they can't blame anyone but themselves at that point.
Just like women's rights.
Remember how they claimed women didn't play a role in much of anything because men didn't let them?
And then we gave them rights and they just became fat lazy, drugged out hoes doing fake jobs that don't provide any real value.
The ball is in their court now.
It has been claimed that the camps Jews were put into were work camps to teach them physical skills so they could survive on their own without leaching off other people after they are relocated
>Jews were put into were work camps to teach them physical skills so they could survive on their own without leaching off other people
I heard the exact opposite. I heard they were stripped of everything they owned and were worked until starvation and buried in mass graves.
Reparations-with-Remigration is the fairest deal for all parties.
Slavery was dumb. Segregation was dumb. Diversity is even dumber.
I support giving all black people gold and silver and weapons and dropping them off in the temple in Israel with one way transportation
And telling them they are allowed to take the houses and land from any Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jew they want but not from the Palestinians
This is the problem with your mindset is that you think like the very people you oppose.
If you just send a bunch of blacks to dispose the jews you're no better than them and all you're going to end up with is more conflict.
With my solution we can make 1 simple payout and keep in moving.
People want to punish Blacks and Jews because diversity is infuriating and the death of the West is hope-destroying.
Better to just fix the situation, and finally end slavery, which was never going to be a good thing in the first place.
Same with all Other groups. Mono-ethnicism works, diversity does not.
No one wants to make any more deals with your kind. Too many people are realizing what you've done. There will be no payouts; you've drained the US economic corpse dry. This ends poorly for everyone.
Once the system buckles and crashes, and it will, a very high price will be paid. There are no more places that you can be expelled to. Do you understand what's coming?
@Quentel @amerika @shortstories
>No one wants to make any more deals with your kind
Idk what you're talking about, bagels were never enslaved.
>There will be no payouts
Probly not but that doesn't mean its not deserved.
> Too many people are realizing what you've done.
You're not making sense. I haven't DONE anything but speak the truth.
>There are no more places that you can be expelled to.
I've never been expelled from anywhere I had good grades in school.
Payouts are far cheaper than continuing diversity.
One costs money, the other destroys your civilization.
Thank you @amerika It's good to see someone else can think more than 2 steps ahead.
I have been carping for this idea since the early 1990s. You can see the most recent here:
https://www.amerika.org/tag/reparations-with-repatriation/
Thanks for the kind words!
@amerika @shortstories @Quentel
No problem!
Good to there are some OG's out there still fighting the good fight.
I'll definitly check out that article in my downtime.
Let me explain this using nigger-speak, so it might have a chance to be understood: Dum-asses r triina rob a crib dat has no bling-bling.
We are in debt, no doubt.
Cutting a few social programs will solve that quickly, since the welfare state is three quarters of our budget.
Maybe we can wargame it out this way...
Either we keep paying $2tn per year to the welfare state, or we take on a debt of a few trillion to resolve the issue permanently.
@Quentel @amerika @shortstories
>There is no money
False. In 1971 we got off the gold standard so our money is only backed by faith and the power of the US military.
>Let me explain this using nigger-speak
You must be another salty, stubborn, southerner. 🤦♂️
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not white.
The VAST majority of gov handouts and affirmative action are WHITE women.
If you took womens rights away there would be MORE than enough $ to cover reparations.
Read that again to yourself... and try really hard to think about what comes next.
@Quentel @amerika @shortstories
Nice try moving the goalpost stay on topic.
You said there was no $.
I said yes there is and the gov prints it like there's no tomorrow because there's nothing backing the US dollar but faith and military might.
You told me to read my post again but you clearly lack basic reading comprehension ability.
zero times any real number is zero
zero divided by any real number is zero
so we can print out an unlimited number of dollars without each dollar losing value
Because dollars were worth nothing to begin with
He thinks you are black and or Jewish & that is why you want reparations money
If we double the money supply each dollar will be worth half as much which is the same that it is worth now
Printing out more money would be good
I want more disbelief in $
Why are we carrying water for equality here?
It screwed the West.
Blaming symptoms will not fix that.
It makes more sense to repatriate foreign groups to their homelands.
Part in grace and with good wishes, and all that. Give them some cash to get them started.
@basedbagel
The tuition reparations for black people are already happening and they are not working because they prefer fields that do not use math and do not involve hands on labor
Black people are given preference in Universities and the government gives out free grants to attend colleges
Giving black people tuition while allowing them to pass high school without being required to multiply single digit numbers in their head without a calculator has only made them more poor