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@unabomber The gospels are indeed retrofited versions of Jesus history to appeal to either romans or jews and convert them to christianity. But Jesus history wasn't a fabrication in itself, otherwise, the retrofited parts wouldn't have such plotholes. (6/6)

@unabomber Bethelem a clear fabrication trying to retrofit on the idea of Jesus of Nazareth, also, if the romans were the one who fabricated this, shouldn't they at least knew their own history from some decades ago?

Also, the jews believed the messiah would come from their tribe (tribe of Judah), instead Jesus closest blood related tribe is the tribe of Levi (the tribe where the high priests come from). A fabrication aimed at jews shouldn't have this problem, either. (5/?)

@unabomber then Jesus wouldn't have been from Nazareth, instead all four gospels classify him as "Jesus of Nazareth", Matthew and Luke do try to argue that 'Akctually' Jesus was born in Bethelem because his family had to go back since the census required Joseph to come back to the land of his lineage, Judah, but the problem is that the historic figures and events doesn't fit the historical records of the romans to support this tale, making the idea that Jesus was born in (4/?)

@unabomber The odd level of organization of the christian communities is because Jesus himself appointed the disciples as leaders. And almost all non-naturist religions have such an organization from the very beginning, even modern sects tend to revolve around one leader in a centralized form of organization

Also, if the history of Jesus was a roman fabrication done by people who know of jew culture, (3/?)

@unabomber Paul was preaching way before the jewish-roman war, documents and letters go back all the way to 48 AD already mentioning christian communities. And Paul do praise jewish traditions, but says things like circumcision and what not is worthless if not following God's word, instead he makes the case that salvation is not just for jews but for gentiles too, and if jewish customs get in the way of salvation, then there's no need for gentiles to follow such customs (2/?)

@unabomber There is some problems with that theory, I point it out in no particular order:

The bible also absolved jews from Jesus death, saying that him being tortured and sacrificed is the will of the father, in order to be sacrificed for the forgiveness of everyone sins, and both the jews and romans actions are necessary for such end (1/?)

@unabomber It's more complex than that, most of the new testament was written decades or centuries after Jesus death. Churches from different regions had their own spin of Jesus history according to their own values and local laws. Later, Constantinus declared heretics everyone who didn't follow the Roman approved versions and destroyed their texts. The romans didn't invent the story of Jesus, they just took out everyone that didn't agree with their take on the history of Jesus

@basedbagel In my experience, speed limits mitigate that, everyone tends to drive close to the limit so passing someone occur less often