@Tfmonkey @VooDooMedic I want to throw my several cents in on the topic of BDSM since you brought it up on the show. You frequently go to cock and ball torture, but that is one small side of the whole.

Bondage
Domination
Sadism
Masochism

BDSM, in my opinion, is mostly about power, and the sadomasochism is merely one manifestation for those who enjoy mixing pleasure and pain together.

@Tfmonkey @VooDooMedic What do hair pulling, spanking, humiliation, debasing language, domination/submission, bondage, discipline (physical, verbal, etc.) all have in common? Dynamics of power. In my opinion, the power dynamics are the truely desired element.

Please give this some thought and don't just jump to cock and ball every time or assume that just because someone loves the D/s side of things they have sadomasochistic tendencies. Some people hate causing pain but love the power dynamic.

@DoubleD @Tfmonkey this is what I try to explain every single time tfm brings it up but he never listens

@VooDooMedic @Tfmonkey I'm also not trying to be preachy: I want TFM to update his model/perspective of BDSM so it's more accurate.

@DoubleD @VooDooMedic @Tfmonkey

There is no better way to understand this than to read the books of the men for whom Sadism and Masochism are named.

From the Marquis de Sade, I'd say read "Justine", or else "120 days of Sodom."

I had a copy of Masoch's "Venus in Furs" years ago, but didn't finish it.

Sade was the ultimate degenerate, literally nothing off limits. I always find it funny that people leave him out of discussions about Enlightenment philosophy. He was pure Enlightenment.

@UncleIroh @DoubleD @Tfmonkey never actually did any research into why they are called the way they are I might look into it what are the names of the books that you'd recommend like after reading those or just those two