Joined Dec 2022
@Tfmonkey - I'd be making some moves, bro (cross-country, or wherever you wanna be, is what I mean). Sometimes, a financial loss is worth taking, if a non-monetary benefit is substantial enough.
And for you, I'd wager so. I know you couldn't pay me enough to live in that region. 🍻🫡
@redmaple - But I think it'd be wise to keep in-group death penalties to a minimum, and only after an acceptable trial of some sort, because of the possibility of blood feuds and how destructive those can be.
When pondering what sort of community order to advocate, I find it useful to imagine myself at the bottom of the hierarchy. And to ask: "Would I still consider things to be fair?"
Cheers, and thanks for the feedback. 🍻
@redmaple - No doubt, there will be some beheadings in a "start from scratch" scenario, because there's always gonna be that guy.
The way I see it, options for remedial action are limited (because jails take scarce resources). And communities are limited to the death penalty, corporal punishment (caning, flogging, and the like), humiliation (a day in stockades where people throw vegetables, etc), and expulsion (banishment). Let me know if I'm forgetting something though.
@mutageno - Sounds legit. 🤔
...much more difficult without electricity. So the desire to punish, must be tempered by the demands of practicality. An emphasis on crime prevention is much more preferable, to harsh punishments.
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Prepping is an investment in the future. No one wants to put all the effort it takes, into building a community, only to see it fall apart.
So I'm looking for feedback, and devil's advocacy. Because I want to see my efforts succeed. The future, fast approaches.🥃
3) Who is fit to judge? - I really like the jury system, and the american bill of rights. There can be no such thing as perfect justice. And in the absence of video evidence or electronic records, the jury system is about as fair as justice gets.
4) The balance of necessity, and a desire for justice - Finding a way to prosper as a community, in a post-collapse world, will likely be an "all hands on deck" affair. Deindustrialization will mean that every able body is needed, because life is ➡️
2) simplicity - The code of law should be simple, and easily understood. While I don't object to the existence of lawyers, in principle... The law should be simple enough that any citizen can serve as a lawyer. A dispassionate advocate (without his own neck to worry about), will probably make a case more competently, than someone swayed by concern and anxiety for their own future. But the law should be simple.
...to resolve any in-group conflict that should arise.
And I have a few thoughts on the subject - a few principles that may be worth considering for anyone planning a community, or who should ever find themselves in a situation where it comes up out of necessity (such as in a post-collapse hellscape, for example).
1) practicality - how enforceable is a law? It's easy enough to say what should, or should not, be. But how easily can this be made into a reality? Who will enforce it? And how?
For legal reasons, let's consider what can be called: principles and theory of law - applicable to any legal system (past, present, and future, extant or hypothetical).
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When Prepping, there comes a point when broader considerations come to mind - when you've covered enough of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that interpersonal interactions come to the fore. This to me, is when law should be considered.
What is the purpose of law? Primarily, to prevent in-group conflict. And secondarily, ➡️
I can easily envision a future that's like a Jackson Pollock painting: the canvas is the wasteland - a lawless wilderness of savage barbarity. And all the flecks of paint are attempts at civilization. Most will be improvised, and will exist only due to random alignment of circumstances. Very few will be well considered and planned. And through Darwinian processes, the fit communities will survive.
So what makes a community fit? I'd wager it would be the law that they choose to live under.
@dander - Yeeesh...! 😮💨
@basedbagel - I would have liked to think so... but now I think I would've been mistaken.
Thankfully, the establishment is incompetent. I'll take it. 🍻
@furgar - Well, the man's not wrong.
@37712 - I was gonna say "Challenge accepted."
But then I watched it, and I'm like "nah. Can't do it." 😂
@RodrickSage - I'm due for a good read. I'll check that out. Thanks! 🍻
@37712 @basedbagel - Yeah... I wasn't anti-vax 3 years ago. But nowadays? Fuck that shit with a rusty hammer.
There are vaxed folks I will miss, but societal collapse is never easy. 🫗 We just do the best we can.
@37712 @basedbagel - So... for these reasons and others, I'd prefer to de-cuck the West.
I think of the West dying, along the same lines as when a king dies: "The West is dead. Long live the West."
I intend to rebuild what I can, without women's rights. But as long as Muslims can be good neighbors, I have no beef with Muslims. 🍻
Oh yeah... and
8) I like alcohol on occasion. 😉
5) I don't like theocracies, as a general rule.
6) I'm not sure where the Islamic world stands on free market capitalism, but I'd bet money the West has a stronger tradition of it, cucked though it may be.
7) The Islamic world doesn't strike me as having a particularly strong tradition of using the scientific method (medieval times not withstanding). And even if I'm currently preparing for a dark age, I do like the scientific method.
@37712 @basedbagel - That's fair enough. There are a few reasons that I don't go for Islam though:
1) the treatment of "heresy". I don't feel like getting stoned for asking questions.
2) compulsory participation in Ramadan. If I'm fasting, I prefer to be in charge of that.
3) I like property rights in the traditional Western conception.
4) the evangelism. I can't stand bible-thumpers, and I'm concerned that Muslims are generally just koran-thumpers with an AK-47.
Joined Dec 2022
