@Tfmonkey am having argument , guy is saying there is objective moral .am saying to him thats bullshite hence heart ripping sacrifies

@dander @Tfmonkey If it's objective, ask him to list each of what is morally acceptable, morally unacceptable and have everyone agree on it.

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@Zeb @dander @Tfmonkey

Morality is both objective and relative

It is relative to the standard you choose to set

And objective based on that standard once you set a standard

There are physical consequences to actions

If you have a system to choose the actions that result in one set of physical consequences that you consider preferable to another set of physical consequences that would result from a different set of available actions then that system is a moral value system

@Zeb @dander @Tfmonkey

If someone does not want to be murdered it makes sense to choose to live in a community where murder is punished with imprisonment or execution to prevent people from doing repeat murders so that you do not get murdered by them

As a result of choosing to live in that community to reduce the chance of getting murdered if one does not want to have a physical consequence of imprisonment or execution for murder then one would adopt a value system of not murdering

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