@Tfmonkey am having argument , guy is saying there is objective moral .am saying to him thats bullshite hence heart ripping sacrifies
If someone does not want to be murdered it makes sense to choose to live in a community where murder is punished with imprisonment or execution to prevent people from doing repeat murders so that you do not get murdered by them
As a result of choosing to live in that community to reduce the chance of getting murdered if one does not want to have a physical consequence of imprisonment or execution for murder then one would adopt a value system of not murdering