@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Alright then. I still don't understand how you find it so easy to discard this group of people who legit hate Israel though. It's not like we got much going for our side. Everyone seems afraid of the US and Israel. If Iran doesn't enter the war somehow and everyone decides to cuck out of fear of WW3, it's over for us, the globalists win.
So, unless you're confident the Cathedral is going to lose somehow, you should be rooting for someone to care about Palestinians.

@Based_Accelerationist @Tfmonkey Before israel there was ukraine. The regime wanted to win that war by any means necessary because losing that meant a weaker empire. Ukraine is done. Now the conflict that decides the fate of the world is israel vs gaza? Nigga, please. The cathedral was already on the decline. Major shifts in world power don't happen overnight. Russia and china haven't suddenly given up on their efforts. It may be happening too slow for your liking, but that's geopolitics.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey
We'll see. I don't have enough confidence in any party involved to claim what their goals are. There's a lot happening behind the scenes that we don't know. Israel attacking the Middle East would've been a perfect opportunity to deal a death blow to the American Empire. It's not so much the waiting that is concerning, it's how nonsensical this all is.

@Based_Accelerationist @Tfmonkey
>Israel attacking the Middle East would've been a perfect opportunity to deal a death blow to the American Empire.

You sure about that? You said yourself we don't know what's actually going on behind the scenes. I don't know what the various world powers know internally either. I've been operating with that assumption since day one of the conflict. I'm just observing shit.

Didn't care when hamas attacked israel. Not gonna care when israel kills palestinians.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey
The suicidal behavior of the West, the red lines that keep getting crossed and the bluffs being called. Why are Israel and America so confident? I don't buy that the leaders of the cathedral are stupid and senile. There must be something more to it. And the more cuckery and complicity I see, the less confident I am that the people running the Cathedral are losing. I hope this war is legit and that there aren't people profiting from it all, who will then enslave us.

@Based_Accelerationist @ButtWorldsMan It's not that Israel and America are confident, but that they have no choice.

Their power is declining and they need to threaten WW3 and force everyone to back down and let them win because that's literally the only way they can win.

@Tfmonkey @Based_Accelerationist Also the people at the top running shit aren't stupid. Maybe their behavior is reckless and potentially suicidal, but you don't get to be part of the ruling class and govern an empire by being drooling retards. See africa for more info.

If two grand masters play chess, one of them still has to lose. Either the cathedral outplays the east, or they get outplayed.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey
True enough. I'm not too worried about the chess grand masters themselves, it's the possibility of them allying to an extent to screw over the people that worries me. After all, China is the model for the whole world, according to the Cathedral. I don't doubt they'll fight each other for power over the camps though. We'll see, my hope is that these chess masters destroy each other as much as possible, because at this point the best thing for freedom is chaos.

@Based_Accelerationist @Tfmonkey Based on how much these people fuck with each other, I doubt we're at a risk of them becoming buddies. Not sure how willing russia is to forgive america for weaponizing the dollar and forcing them to deal exclusively with the east. And blowing up their pipeline.

@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan
Yeah, I'm still hopeful that's the case. It's just that I've seen the US shoot itself on the foot so many times, even before the Ukraine war began, like when they closed the keystone pipeline for instance, that sometimes it's hard not to wonder if the cathedral doesn't want the US to lose (as the world economic Forum already "predicted" they would lose their place as the leader of the free world). But, so far, I still lean towards your conclusion.

@UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Apparently he is aware of it lol.
I think it's overconfidence. Most conservatives keep talking about how they're going to win and that the globalists are losing (somehow). Even TFM sometimes claims that they're "stupid" and will lose in the end. But how can we claim such things, when there's so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know? And it's becoming increasingly clear that we have no idea what the plan is, as every prediction is proven wrong.

@UncleIroh
Many of the Cathedral's moves seem suicidal, but perhaps it's intentional. The World Economic Forum has said multiple times that they "expect" the US to lose its place as the leader of the world. And who knows how close to the CCP families like the Rothchild's really are? I simply don't know enough to take any of these hypothesis out of the table.

If nothing happens and everyone lets Israel destroy the Middle East, I can only assume the Brics nations are compromised to an extent.

@Based_Accelerationist

> Many of the Cathedral's moves seem suicidal, but perhaps it's intentional.

The best we can do is a combination of
1. negative-inference, e.g. "gravity & math infers there must be a large planetary body right here even though we can't see it yet"

2. testing our predictions against what actually happened.

In this we seem to be losing; their actions make little sense.

I suspect the error lies in the failure to grasp their ontology, metaphysics & epistemology.

@UncleIroh Probably, I certainly fail to grasp the Cathedral's logic. Who knew we needed astrophysicists to understand geopolitics lol

@Based_Accelerationist

In simpler language, if no-one had had the concept of an elephant before, but one day you come across a squished lion, you'd be right in inferring that there must be an even bigger animal that you need to shit your pants over.

likewise, Islamic countries cucking out of the fight with Israel, even with Russia & BRICS behind them, suggests the existenece of other forces acting that we don't know the existence of yet.

@UncleIroh It's 4D Aliens!!
But seriously, in all likelihood they know something we don't, even if it's just the details of their own plans for fighting the West.
I hope it's the most obvious answer and they're just being cautious, waiting for the best moment to strike, while the US is desperate as they only get weaker by the day. But who knows, maybe there is an elephant.

@Based_Accelerationist

There are always elephants, so many godamn elephants!

Even when we hear rumors of them (e.g. the elites fucking kids), we're still no wiser when we finally get to see the Lesser Spotted Epstein Elephant. Turns out there are a shitload MORE elephants hiding behind that one.

@UncleIroh I wouldn't have truly believed it, if I hadn't seen it. I don't know which elephant was bigger, Epstein or that painting he had of Bill Clinton in a dress...
Absolute bonkers. After that I have no problem believing they worship Moloch in the woods and offer babies as tribute. And given these people are our elites, anything is possible in this war.

@Based_Accelerationist

Definitely this. This goes waaaay beyond economic control.

@Based_Accelerationist @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey

> it's becoming increasingly clear that we have no idea what the plan is, as every prediction is proven wrong.

this is a bigger problem than people like to admit.

TFM does a good job of positing possible future scenarios and explaining his reasoning; as he says

"building a rational picture based on limited data and making actionable recommendations while admitting that knowledge gaps are subject to change, based on changes on the ground."

@Based_Accelerationist @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey

so i appreciate TFM putting himself out there even when it turns out he's wrong. shame most of his fanbois don't understand that this necessarily comes with a large margin of error, but they swallow it verbatim cause fanboi reasons.

@UncleIroh @Based_Accelerationist @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Yes, I typically like to see whatbhe postulates and work around seeing what I see as well. Very smart guy and everything in the world makes for a large margin of error.

What is annoying though is that fanboy dicksucking of anyone where their word is gospel. Esp the forever black pill shit. I think it is going to be dire for the west, but bot surprising the world is trying to not die from an imperial collapse/tantrum.

@UncleIroh @Based_Accelerationist @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Shit has a time scale of years. Lots will shift. The optimistic part is that the world seemed to have been rushing along some things to build new trade/diplomatic orders and foundations. It is obvious diplomacy won't get the world through this alone. However, the rewriting of doctrines, preparations for wars, and the dissemination of arms will take years.

We shall see and it'll base line be interesting to see what proxy shit happens.

@FinalDresdonation @Based_Accelerationist @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey

You also have to entertain that your notion of change over time is based on an outdated, linear model.

There's every reason to believe that we are in an exponential or even logarithmic model of change.

It is at the very least non-linear and under acceleration.

@UncleIroh @FinalDresdonation @Based_Accelerationist @Tfmonkey
We're already in WW3. The ukraine war was the tipping point that got us here. We've seen a lot of geopolitical movement and activity since then. Things will happen fast. No one can predict what the news will be like this time next year. But next year is in one year. Lot of people want to see new shit happen every single day.

@UncleIroh @FinalDresdonation @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey
Yeah maybe I just have a short attention span and want Michael Bay to direct this war. But you're right, we're off the linear part of the cycle, we're in the endgame already/still

@UncleIroh @ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Yup, he picks up the pieces as best as possible and I hope he is right. But who knows, we're talking about the same masterminds who convinced all these normies to vaccinate themselves lol.
We'll have to wait and see I guess. Eventually something will break, I just hope it's good news for individualism.