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@Justicar They betrayed a Jew (assuming it even happened), they didn't betray their god. But the Judeo Christian viewpoint is that they were god's chosen people until that point, then Christians became the chosen ones. And some even claim Jews are fake Hebrews and Christians the real Jews.
It's all utterly ridiculous, but that's religion for you.

As for why they keep calling them that, it's because Christianity is Judeo. No one loves Jews and did more for them than Christians.

@shortstories Well, the problem is the model is Jewish nonsense. A "law and order" morality is just "avoiding punishment", "self-interest" and "good boy attitude", but directed at society at large, instead of one's parents.

People NEVER go past those stages, because they aren't "stages", they're human nature. The only stages consist on overcoming different authority figures, that's it.

So the only way for individuals to care more about "principles" than those other things, is with brain chips.

@mutageno2 It's never based to recognize a circumcised Hebrew, the lion of Judah, the king of Jews, as your lord. It's never based to recognize a forsaken place in the Middle East as your holy land.
He says he doesn't recognize the Jewish people, yet he recognizes their holy book. He also recognizes Jews as god's chosen people, even if he claims they lost that status once they betrayed Jesus the Jew.

Christianity is controlled opposition from its very inception, the very opposite of based.

@amerika @Scubbie Have you spent a lot of time around Jews and attended their meetings, where they're less secretive about their beliefs? If not, then it's natural that you'd only hear it from Judeo Christians.

@shortstories Depends on what "higher" means. Kolberg's stages only have to do with an individual's personal growth as they overcome different authority figures and form their own belief system.

If you mean more collectivist, then the highest stage a society could reach would be that of a hivemind and people would achieve it with the help of brain chips.

Now if you're talking about a society going from stage 4 to a system less focused on collective law&order, the only solution is depopulation.

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Like, I get how this could be a "dirty mattresses in mysterious tunnels" situation... 🤔 But it could just as easily be a mentorship situation.

I mean, I've spent time with lads and said "we're gonna go nuts! Tonight's gonna be bonkers!"... and in point of fact, we never actually went nuts, and the time was not actually bonkers. But it's setting the tone for a good time, without anything inappropriate. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@UncleIroh And stage 6 apparently means the person is willing to go to jail for what they believe in, which has little to do with moral development and more so with other personality traits.

No such thing as a universal principle either.

While there are some differences between how men and women judge the world, it's not as steep as that comparison, not in current year at least, especially when talking about people of similar intellect.

@UncleIroh Oy vey, it's Kolberg's model. Moral development has less to do with the morals themselves and more with overcoming the different moral traps (parents, law and church).

A "stage 5" individual will share a similar thought process to a "stage 1" newborn in a situation where they're personally involved, they will pick the option they think benefits them as much as possible.
And when it comes to judging the morality of others, they will side with the party they identify with the most.

@amerika Indeed, but so are many of the Jews in control of our countries.

Our kosher overlords seem to be divided into two camps:

- those who want to slowly enslave the goyim first and only then worry about the state of Israel.

- and the zionists who are fixated on their end times prophecy and wish to wipe out all enemies in a world war, even if it results in more casualties for them.

If we weren't dealing with religious, race-obsessed lunatics, there's no way they'd go for WW3, but if they were any other kind of group, they wouldn't have survived for this long.

@shortstories In the sense he failed to liberate the West I suppose. But Hitler's goal wasn't to destroy the US, he just wanted to save Germany and gentiles from the shekel shackles. It's Jews and Americans themselves that defeated America.

@Justicar Exactly, this idea that men "doing nothing" is what allowed tyranny to spread, isn't factual. Most men actively fought to enforce the will of the weak, they served in the army, they were the police, they gave their money/labor to the government, etc.

Collectivism (nowadays of the Jewish kind) is 100% enforced by men, not because they refuse to do something, but because they actively squash the opposition.
Nothing individualists can do but stay quiet and disengage from soyciety.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for weak men to prevent the strong men to do the right thing.

@shortstories Very nice, but it doesn't disprove the facts I mentioned, nor does it turn Judeo Christianity into a net positive in any way. It's controlled opposition, but in a much more violent era. Everything the Church did to Jews, they did a thousand times worse to gentiles ("pagans"). And that anti-Jewish/anti-usury sentiment was a thing in Rome way before Christianity, they merely maintained it for a while but eventually bent the knee. Not impressed.

@VeganMGTOW There might be a correlation, it was certainly a religion that appealed to slaves and the weak. From giving away your possessions to confessing your "sins", it's the model for collectivism.

@Justicar It was a part of their tribal identity. All religions are based on stories/myths from other cultures, including Abrahamic religions, they're no different. The story of Jesus is very similar to that of Horus, for instance. Nothing "new" about it.

They weren't "pagan gods", they were Gods, same as any other, same as the Jewish God that Noahide gentile now accept.

They didn't have a name for the religion, because it was theirs.

Until Christianity. Out with the Old and in with the Jew.

@mutageno2 Tell them it's nonsensical to object to facts and Christianity as a whole is responsible for the things I claimed, despite its role as controlled opposition which resulted in some conflicts, not unlike we're seeing between Muslim Countries and Israel at the moment. Even Jews fought other Jews at times, monarchs and their interests are not representative of the entire cult.

White people's tribal identity was replaced by Christianity and their culture/beliefs (paganism) were destroyed.

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