@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
POLL REQUEST
every boy growing up has to contend with violence & war. his attitude to violence, capacity for it, inclination for it, skill level, under what conditions to use it, against whom, how far to go.
this includes hunting, revenge, retaliation, defense & offense. and for those of us that believe in a moral universe, good and evil.
under your ethical framework, how do you contend with this?
@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
Thanks gents, good turnout.
Pacifism: I included this option but unsurprised it got ZERO votes. It's a retarded option.
Might Is Right: The winner, and not surprising for this audience. Your heroes are likely Greco-Roman and/or the Nietzschean ideal. You have to ALWAYS win, or accept every degradation of defeat you inflict on your foes. Your strongest enemies are Jihadists / Holy War-ists.
@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
Consequentialism:The runner up, and probably the winner in normie audiences. Congrats, you are the inheritors of Atheist Liberalism. This wins against personal 'Might is Right' (i.e. fucking RUN when overpowered), but fails against geopolitical 'Might is Right' AND 'Jihadism'. It is also highly susceptible to demoralization.
@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
Jihad / Holy War: You live in a moral universe where objective morality is Truth. This paradigm never fails according to it's own internal rules. It can TEMPORARILY lose against 'Might is Right' and 'Consequentialism / Just War' in a 1v1 AND geoplitically, but is not susceptible to demoralization. All things equal, it wins the long game due to the power of Eschatology.
@UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh Might makes Right is undefeated, because you can use theological or other ideological exploits to maintain an iron grip on your normie masses. Do you really think most religions military leaders genuinely believed their own bullshit? Of course not. Psy-ops are just another form of exerting might. Might makes right is not a moral position, it is an astute observation of reality.
@Engineer @UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh while i mostly agree with "Might makes Right" i do observe that there are cultural universals, and that sort of implies that there might be a "common morality" , values that are seemingly inborn across many different groups of people, the taboo on incest is a good example, and I believe it is present regardless if it is explicitly taught or not.
@PordanJeterson @UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh I've always seen exceptions to every sop-called "cultural universal" I've come across.
@Engineer @UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh whatever happened to exceptions don't break the rule?
@shortstories @37712 @ButtWorldsMan @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Engineer @Stahesh @Tfmonkey @UncleIroh did you even read this?
The physical consequences are always the same
But different people have different goals for what physical consequences they want
If there are certain physical consequences that a group of people agree on then that is objective for that group and group consensus can be reached
If people do not want to be murdered and they hang around other people who do not want to be murdered
They know that they want to eliminate people who murder people from murdering them
Everyone in that community is wiling to use defensive force to imprison or execute or somehow stop people from murdering even if they do not care if other people then themselves are murdered simply to prevent a murderer who might go for them next wondering around
This means if you do not want to be killed or imprisoned you would try to hang around such a community and also not murder people because if you murder people the community will retaliate against you by executing or imprisoning you
This results in a shared objective morality for all people who do not want to be murdered and who also do not want to be imprisoned
Ultimately this results in something very similar to a voluntaryist, anarchist, libertarian, classical liberal, minarchist, christian morality, or a morality similar to many other religions, philosophies and worldviews that suggest not to initiate violence but to use defensive force against violence
Although this does not lead to a 100% match with any of these necessarily depending on the fine details of which version of which philosophy, religion, worldview, political system, etc.
But such morality is not universally preferable by all people as some people commit suicide