@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
POLL REQUEST
every boy growing up has to contend with violence & war. his attitude to violence, capacity for it, inclination for it, skill level, under what conditions to use it, against whom, how far to go.
this includes hunting, revenge, retaliation, defense & offense. and for those of us that believe in a moral universe, good and evil.
under your ethical framework, how do you contend with this?
@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
Thanks gents, good turnout.
Pacifism: I included this option but unsurprised it got ZERO votes. It's a retarded option.
Might Is Right: The winner, and not surprising for this audience. Your heroes are likely Greco-Roman and/or the Nietzschean ideal. You have to ALWAYS win, or accept every degradation of defeat you inflict on your foes. Your strongest enemies are Jihadists / Holy War-ists.
@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
Consequentialism:The runner up, and probably the winner in normie audiences. Congrats, you are the inheritors of Atheist Liberalism. This wins against personal 'Might is Right' (i.e. fucking RUN when overpowered), but fails against geopolitical 'Might is Right' AND 'Jihadism'. It is also highly susceptible to demoralization.
@Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh
Jihad / Holy War: You live in a moral universe where objective morality is Truth. This paradigm never fails according to it's own internal rules. It can TEMPORARILY lose against 'Might is Right' and 'Consequentialism / Just War' in a 1v1 AND geoplitically, but is not susceptible to demoralization. All things equal, it wins the long game due to the power of Eschatology.
@UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh Might makes Right is undefeated, because you can use theological or other ideological exploits to maintain an iron grip on your normie masses. Do you really think most religions military leaders genuinely believed their own bullshit? Of course not. Psy-ops are just another form of exerting might. Might makes right is not a moral position, it is an astute observation of reality.
@Engineer @UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @37712 @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh while i mostly agree with "Might makes Right" i do observe that there are cultural universals, and that sort of implies that there might be a "common morality" , values that are seemingly inborn across many different groups of people, the taboo on incest is a good example, and I believe it is present regardless if it is explicitly taught or not.
@PordanJeterson @Engineer @UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh your common morality is meaningless in the face of a strong enemy who thinks that might makes right. Only when you are strong and your enemies have been defeated or unable to fight/win against you, only then can you allow yourself to explore such mentality. Good luck arguing your moral supremacy against a stronger enemy who thinks that might makes right
@37712 @Engineer @UncleIroh @Tfmonkey @ButtWorldsMan @shortstories @Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @Stahesh not moral supremacy, just values that for whatever reason were adopted by many groups, completely independent of eachother, likely due to all of these behaviors aiding in survival or reproduction, or even child rearing in some manner. That really the only reason there is any "universal morality" it is simply values that are beneficial to all hominids (and in many cases other species too) survival.
