Joined Dec 2022
@Chimi_Chuang_Tzu - Making your own feed? True that!
Yeah... I don't mean to be dismissive, either. I haven't heard the feed concerns. And it would be unprecedented, but so has a lot of other things been, lately.
So, I just got my fingers crossed.
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@mutageno - Damn, son!! 🤣🤣🤣
I love Texas.
@UncleIroh @Pain66 - I think TFM's take on this may be correct... That industrialization is the circumstantial cause of feminism and the widespread simpery that allows it.
Which is bad news if a man dreams of trans-humanism and terminator waifus. But as for me? I don't think I mind forgoing the easy living of industrialization. I could totally be a cobbler or something.
@Chimi_Chuang_Tzu @37712-We've been keeping chickens for about 8 years now... and it's the slow season for egg-laying. Our birds have been molting (shedding feathers), and egg production is always down about now.
The poor birds shed their feathers in the dead of winter - always seemed a little unfair to me. So I looked it up, and found that they're native to southeast Asia. I'm thinking if they were there, they'd be perfectly in tune with the seasons. But sadly, they are here, so they're not. 😕
@redmaple - And I'm thinking here mostly, of those rare cases of actual abuse (of all sorts). Personally, I was conceived in one abusive household, only to be raised in another - so I know that it can happen on occasion.
So while random white knighting should be highly discouraged, if there's a personal and familial connection - a real personal investment in the outcome, then I can see a place for it.
And I suppose this too, is a matter of values. But those are some considerations. 🍻
@redmaple - But part of the rationale in denying women a public voice, is that those who have authority over them, and responsibility for them (men), will speak on their behalf.
So with that, it becomes a question of who speaks for them. Primarily, that would be first fathers, and then husbands. But secondarily, I could see that being brothers, cousins, sons, and whatnot - though certainly not random strangers stricken by the thirst.
@redmaple - And I'm thinking here mostly, of those rare cases of actual abuse (of all sorts). Personally, I was conceived in one abusive household, only to be raised in another - so I know that it can happen on occasion.
So while random white knighting should be highly discouraged, if there's a personal and familial connection - a real personal investment in the outcome, then I can see a place for it.
And I suppose this too, is a matter of values. But those are some considerations. 🍻
@redmaple - Especially after a generation or two, when the forsaken system we were born into has left the collective living memory... A woman may be able to tempt and seduce a man, while knowing full well that he would face all consequences - particularly if she happens to be married to a simp.
And I suppose it depends on one's values. But I don't think it sits well with me, for that reason.
Regarding white knights: yeah generally, fuck those guys.
@redmaple - I had to ponder that for a while... At first, I was like "Why didn't I think of that?!"🤦🏻♂️
But with any idea, I do my best to pick it apart - just as a matter of course, to see if it holds up.
I think it's wise to never underestimate the conniving and petty nature of females. And with this system, I can see "assassination by means of adultery" as becoming a thing. Women may be property and all, but they will always possess a measure of autonomy and free will.
@redmaple -...generations.
But with rape as a property crime on the other hand, I'm comfortable with castration or beheading for that.
A rapist (in this context), violates another man's property and family (and it doesn't hit much closer), so capital punishment seems entirely appropriate to me. And also, with capital punishment as a potential outcome, it becomes crucial to define what is, and what isn't rape.
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Thankfully, theft seems like a much simpler remedy: I like caning for that.
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@redmaple - Re: whore-ishness - I don't disagree. But the owner (husband) may simply wish to call it a mulligan, take her back, and move on. Infidelity would be grounds for divorce with prejudice (no cash and prizes, no custody), at her owner's (husband's) discretion.
It's not so much a reflection of my own personal opinion, but simply a consideration of the possibility that the woman's father may otherwise object. It's a preventative measure to counteract the simpery of others, and future ➡️
@redmaple - And naturally, any dispute about all that, can be brought to public trial.
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And to strike an optimistic note, I do believe that the rates of both in-group rape and whore-ishness, will be drastically reduced.
But I give it some forethought, because the consequences can be so destructive. I see it as a matter of stakes, rather than of probability.
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@redmaple - So if and when it occurs, it is actually prosecuted by the husband or father. But then there's the matter of differentiating between rape and whore-ishness.
A proposed approach: There will be women's spaces (home, and maybe a sewing circle or something) and men's spaces (everywhere else, basically). When the nature of consent is ambiguous, sex is presumed to be rape if it occurs in a woman's space, and presumed to be infidelity in a men's space.
@redmaple - I think the most likely major crime problem, will be sexual in nature.
In a world with war-brides (which I don't object to), and where the previous society broke due to loose morals and broken sexual contracts, it just seems likely to me that there will be some carry-over into the new order. And besides all that, sex is a primal instinct.
So here's what I'm thinking: women are property - first of their fathers, and then of their husbands. So rape becomes a property crime.
@redmaple - I like that!
I was leaning in a similar direction... but I wasn't able to articulate it so well yet.
I think out of necessity, decentralization is key (with legit patriarchy a given, of course). And for me, decentralization is desirable as well, and most conducive to freedom.
I do think that in-group crime will be fairly rare - because everyone will be largely preoccupied (idle hands and all that).
@Tfmonkey - I'd be making some moves, bro (cross-country, or wherever you wanna be, is what I mean). Sometimes, a financial loss is worth taking, if a non-monetary benefit is substantial enough.
And for you, I'd wager so. I know you couldn't pay me enough to live in that region. 🍻🫡
@redmaple - But I think it'd be wise to keep in-group death penalties to a minimum, and only after an acceptable trial of some sort, because of the possibility of blood feuds and how destructive those can be.
When pondering what sort of community order to advocate, I find it useful to imagine myself at the bottom of the hierarchy. And to ask: "Would I still consider things to be fair?"
Cheers, and thanks for the feedback. 🍻
@redmaple - No doubt, there will be some beheadings in a "start from scratch" scenario, because there's always gonna be that guy.
The way I see it, options for remedial action are limited (because jails take scarce resources). And communities are limited to the death penalty, corporal punishment (caning, flogging, and the like), humiliation (a day in stockades where people throw vegetables, etc), and expulsion (banishment). Let me know if I'm forgetting something though.
@mutageno - Sounds legit. 🤔
Joined Dec 2022
