I may have come to a realization I'd like to share.
I have been trying to come up with a solution to people who struggle with self discipline. They ask me "how" they can stop caring what others think, or "how" they can stop being lazy, and I think I understand the problem.
You need to develop the ability to envision the goal to stay motivated, which requires abstract thinking and the ability to have an internal model of the world.
This requires an IQ above 100.
Is weakness a product of IQ?
@Tfmonkey I think it's easier for some low IQ criminal or hobo to not give a shit what others think of them. If having an internal model of the world requires IQ >100 then an internal model of other people's feelings would have a similar requirement. I'd say this leads to midwits being the most needy for external validation.
@Tfmonkey Funny you mention this as I was about to ask how you get all this shit done.
I don't think discipline/weakness is a product of IQ.
Discipline = clarity + self-control + urgency.
None of these necessitate a high IQ.
Take me for example: It took my gov trying to kill me for me to get the urgency to start my business.
@basedbagel The issue is that I get a lot of messages from people who want me to show them "how" to develop self control, and I suspect it's because they lack the abstract thinking and non-emotional thinking to have a vision and an internal.
Most likely because they're stupid.
"Most likely because they're stupid."
Maybe so, TBH after this vax... I can't rule that out completely..
But I'm optimistic so I'd wager it's more a lack of clarity/guidance.
Once I got clear on who/what mattered in my life, alot of stuff that bothered me is WAY easier to deal with now i.e. discipline, social acceptance.
I argue alot with my dad but he helped alot with that
I still struggle with indifference to external validation but I'm hoping gets easier as you age.
@Tfmonkey @basedbagel I think developing self control is more about establishing your Values and setting your personal boundaries, as to what type of behaviors that most align with your Values. I don't think it is a matter of being stupid, but rather not having a "why". Not having Values they can refer to when making decisions.
I agree but I wouldn't rule out stupid as we don't know enough about them to say for certain. For all we know they could be vaxxed jootards.
On the bright side at least they're seeking guidance which means they have the self-awareness/mental strength to acknowledge they have a problem.
Which is a good start.
@Tfmonkey I disagree I dont think it needs an IQ of 100 or more, I have seen retards be able to archive goals in life, what they need is to feel the pain of inaction or atleast be able to envision the pain of inaction.
@Tfmonkey I liked more your idea that if you can force yourself to do it for 90 days then it will become a habit, that is an easy way to put it for dumb ppl and it works.
@Tfmonkey - I dunno about generalization, but I can add my own account, for what it's worth.
As a kid, my IQ was evaluated at 147 during the process of joining a "talented and gifted" program. I've done some additional developing, and killed some brain cells since then... so give or take. 💁🏻♂️
I was very neurotic when young, and overly concerned with everyone else's opinion. I was raised very blue pill, and bought into it completely.
I can remember exactly what it was that inspired me to➡️
@Tfmonkey - ...no longer care what others thought of me.
Ironically enough, it was falling in love as a blue-pilled simp. She was all that mattered, and nothing else did anymore. Of course, she eventually did me very dirty, time and again. 🙄 😮💨
But I guess you could say, that it was finding something that (ill-advised or not) mattered more to me than myself.
Hope that helps your formulation. 🍻
@Tfmonkey - I just noticed that I may have tripped over a paradox.
If finding something that matters more than one's self is key to letting go of ego, and what the world thinks of one... then that may present a problem for a philosophy that stresses the importance of the self.
I'm confident there is a resolution, if true, but I wouldn't know what that is yet.
Perhaps the reason our numbers are so small, is because a specific sequence of events is required to reach the mind-set. 🤔
@Tfmonkey - On the bright side: There is a naturally occurring short-cut to finding something more important than one's self though, that doesn't necessarily require any simping. Have children.
And though I may not yet be able to articulate the exact mechanics of it, patriarchy once again appears to be an answer.
Through the process of having children under patriarchy, men would have access to a readily available source of instant perspective. And they would be better caretakers of society. 🍻
@Tfmonkey Weakness maybe is a product of IQ. Two things come to mind, 1) the marshmallow test that showed how those who can delay gratification do better in life, and 2) the "what if you didn't have breakfast today" question, that some people apparently cannot answer as it depends on a hypothetical, an abstract.
I haven't investigated either of these first hand so maybe they're not as they seem.......
@TfmonkeyBut it does seem that a lack of vision or long term goal setting/following correlates with struggling more in life. To paraphrase a Nietzsche (I think) quote Jordan Peterson has said many times, 'he who has a why can withstand any how'. A long projected goal may depend on some level of intelligence. An exception might be faith, but that would be an abstracted ideal like heaven or redemption or benevolent goddess; or just the prospect of reproducing.
Just my thoughts. Interesting questn
As I read my previous comment, I have a contradictory thought. If being zen means being at peace in the present and accepting that, then one is not concerned with the future. Again, it's an interesting question.
@Tfmonkey Sometimes the reason can be their ego and their mental health. Few days ago I started to watch HealthyGamerGG he is asian dude who help people with better mental health.
Yesterday I watched his video about being un happy and problems with ego. Later he gives advice how to practice Shoonya meditation and detach from your ego.
@Stahesh @Tfmonkey - I really liked his video on how "gifted" children might be more accurately seen as learning disabled. It refers mostly to the education system, and a lack of challenge leading to underperforming in life. It was relatable.
Very interesting. Came out a couple years ago, I think. 🤔
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@Tfmonkey it’s hard to say. I was “gifted” back in school (in the good way) but I can still plow through a bag of Reese’s when stressed or angry. I think impulse control is really needed. Also people have weaknesses/habits that can take over. It really is not a question of IQ, in my opinion. It’s an internal dialogue and rationalizing bad behavior. My $0.02.
@Tfmonkey I know this is true in part. There's an established +correlation between IQ and delayed gratification. Most crimes are committed by IQ 80-85 (smart enough to value money/property, too dumb to properly weigh risk and consequences).
But dumb people can gain discipline through following established rules. Low IQ religious people for instance.
The key seems to be emotional regulation. IQ helps but isn't necessary.
@Tfmonkey I think caring about what others think or not caring, for that matter, comes over time; maturity.
Envisioning the goal; model based on Reality are paramount.
Might I include a mastery of emotions, insofar as they are used to focus your efforts. It is hard to stay motivated when you are unsuccessful. Especially after repeated attempts. I think raw talent, or high IQ, puts a man far ahead of a man with just "heart". it is Extremely difficult to compete with a man who is having fun...