@Lorgar MGTOW is the opposite of using fire, it's the water that puts the fire out. Men find peace and comfort in MGTOW, it's a way to cope with loss and prevent violence.
As for collapsing the system, that's what the elites want. The current system is on its way out, soon to be replaced by a much worse Eastern model. If that wasn't the plan, they would've empowered the obedient men. They wouldn't replace you with violent migrants.
Edom (the West) will be scorched, but it won't be by MGTOW.
@YoMomz This is why the situation, as it stands, is hopeless. Men are looking to support groups high on copium, instead of acting as warriors. Whether it's Maga, Christians, or Mgtow, they all offer men an alternative to fighting. That's the problem.
Men who were divorced raped, or who had their kids taken away, shouldn't be looking for emotional support groups.
Men need to lose all hope in the system and meditate on their wounds, instead of licking them.
@YoMomz Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Would-be-warriors dying in silence while their genetic legacy is destroyed, is throwing life away.
Everything is lining up so the collapse happens on their terms. Men will be forced to fight or die for the government regardless and we will have even less freedom than right now.
White people are their worst enemy and we definitely are asking to be culled, which I'm all for, as long as it's the right kind of culling. Controlled WW3 isn't it.
@TenaciousGoat I interpreted the "women in power destroy civilization" part as scapegoating both the men pulling the strings as well as the ones doing all the work to empower women.
I've seen a lot of people in the manosphere deny that men are the problem and pretend women are relevant enough as a group to matter, but perhaps you're right and I assumed incorrectly.
@TenaciousGoat A collective problem requires a solution on the same scale. And as a collective, white men need to fight for their genetic legacy. If the government interferes with their marriage/wife/kids, the solution isn't to accept the situation peacefully, divorce or cope with sex dolls. Pull a Joker, send a message. Be a warrior. And don't underestimate the damage one individual can make, in minecraft.
Does dying a slow death in a hospital bed surrounded by butchers sound that appealing?
@egirlyuumimain Kinda like they do with Christianity, Republicans, Trump and everything else that passes these days for opposition. Weird indeed.
@Zeb It was always part of the package. If "all women are like that" (meaning all women will cheat/divorce/misbehave), if the juice isn't worth the squeeze, if the laws in western countries are too awful to justify marrying or having kids, then... (insert sex doll add).
MGTOW men who have children, almost always had them prior to joining the movement. No matter how you look at it, it's an anti-natalist movement, not because having kids is bad, but because it isn't worth it.
@N_Y_SparkyOxCable Absolutely. The old money always plays the long term game. Stirring up the system too quickly with too much winning is risky, incremental wins and controlling the opposition is the key to their success.
Mgtow doesn't hurt them at this point, it's a net positive. They don't care if white men log off from the system, they're meant to be replaced by migrants and western economies are set to crash by design anyway. What they don't want is for us to go berserk on the way out.
If white men go "their own way", they won't reproduce. If we give them sex dolls, they won't revolt. If they believe their women are the problem, they won't fight for their race.
MGTOW is a good choice if you don't value your genetic legacy too much, but it is also what the enemy wants for you. A quiet but comfortable exit ramp. Think what you might about the movement as a whole, but this much is undeniable.
@irie Judeo Christianity doesn't belong in Europe. If your holy land is in the Middle East, then go there. If a Jew saved your soul, then go worship them there. If the Torah is holy to you, then go join the Hebrews who wrote it. Etc.
Hitler tried getting rid of it, because he understood it's a psyop, like all Abrahamic religions. Jews fast for Saint Peter for a reason, it was Christianity that persecuted white people, turned them against each other, put religion above race, destroyed Rome, etc.
@VooDooMedic Hey Voodoo, here's a video that might interest you: https://archive.org/details/the-power-of-the-kabbalah-jews-in-russia
It's a short clip from a Chabad Lubavitch meeting in Russia, where they claim they control the country and that Putin will be "bad for Russians but good for the Jews of Russia".
If you find it relevant, consider showing it on TFM's show.
Btw, Chabad Lubavitch is one of the main Jewish groups pulling the strings, Trump even visited their former leader's grave recently with Ben Shapiro.
Lies.
Are we still going to pretend women are in power? The elites pulling the strings aren't women. The soldiers enforcing the orders aren't women.
Men have the power, they're the muscle and the brains of this operation and these men chose to fight for collectivism and destroy all gentile nations.
Women are a non-factor. Men who fall for Trump, men who fall for Judeo Christianity, men who fall for Putin, men who bend the knee, YOU are the disease.
Make no mistake, the current situation IS hopeless, but only because young men haven't lost hope and continue to feed into the system.
Some have hope Trump will save America, others place their hopes in the BRICS "multipolar world order" and many get hopium from their religions/cults. All of these are traps the elites laid out for you. Hope must come from within, there is no one out there to save you and the situation will remain hopeless until enough young men realize this.
"If the situation was hopeless, the propaganda wouldn't be necessary."
Perhaps one of the most insidious lines in history.
There's a reason the controlled opposition loves repeating it, because it's an inversion of the truth.
The propaganda is there precisely to give you hope, not to take it away. When people lose all hope, they react, they revolt, because they know they have nothing to lose.
The line should instead read: The more hopeless the situation, the more the propaganda is necessary.
@Mr_Mister Because Israel wants the US to take over the war against Iran and trigger WW3, while they play the victim. They're also on a tight religious schedule and will only give the US the green light when the time is right.
@ChairmanO15 @shortstories Had you actually watched the video, you'd know Lincoln was the one who sided with the Jews and prevented Grant from expelling them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msr6u0u_kwA
When America Kicked out the Jewish People
History of Everything Podcast
Youtube
@Csmgj If they were "god given rights", the government couldn't take them away.
A right only exists as long as the person is willing (and capable) to fight and kill for it. Which is why not everyone has (or deserves) the same rights. And since no one is willing to defend their rights anymore (calling the police and daddy government doesn't count), they don't get any.
In practice, it's the police and the military that are protecting their rights by squashing everyone else's.
@shortstories What's the difference?