In your opinion would it be a net benefit if the internet were destroyed forever right now?
The harm the internet does to countries where holocaust denial is illegal is greater than the good it does for those countries
@UncleIroh Why destroy the internet for a human problem? The root problem is lack of punishment for bad behavior. We can have both internet and Singaporean bamboo ass-whoopings.
@UncleIroh Damn I pick The normie answer😅😅
@UncleIroh I think it'd be better destroyed and my life would be better. As much as I like the online clicks I have I have also found enough social success to fit in with people. Really, the socialization destruction of people's attention spans has sucked. I went from being able to talk with people chilling to now everyone is on their phone with low quality repeat interactions. Shit's weird, and women while they'd still have a ton of issues wouldn't be so broadly accessible.
I'm biased but thanks to the Internet I met good friends, started my business and found fantastic free entertainment.
The Internet is a tool. What you do with it is your problem
@basedbagel @FinalDresdonation
This is a really tough one for me. It's personally been beneficial and devastating in turn.
At the extremes the argument that tools are morally neutral runs out - the Oppenheimer dilemna, weaponized ebola, or giving everyone to ability to make their own nuclear bombs are examples.
With the internet it's the 2nd, 3rd, nth order effects that are still playing themselves out.
I'd err on the side of "goods > harms but barely". We are kids running with scissors.
@basedbagel @FinalDresdonation
To get philosophical for a moment, at some level of existential danger it ultimately comes down to a utilitarian vs moral absolutism argument.
That's why I find Dune fascinating. Herbert posed this dilemna and resolved it with the Butlerian Jihad, a mixture of both utilitarianism and moral absolutism.
That's a great analysis but in my opinion as soon as the first atomic bomb was dropped the existential danger was there.
The internet leveled the playing field for the middle/ lower classes to get proper information and cooperate on a large scale.
Ex. IDK who or where you are. You could be a glowie for all I know but you ended up getting me closer to my dad LOL.
That and bypassing gatekeepers alone makes it a win in my book
@basedbagel @FinalDresdonation
Appreciate that. Also mostly agree, even if there are a sea of glowie fags out there.
No problem!
Furthermore if it wasn't for the Internet id be vaxxed and married...
AND I couldn't get a biz bank account opened easily.
But thanks to do tech companies I have a biz bank account and a line of 💳 soon 🙏🏿
So yeah I'm a bit biased on the information superhighway.
@basedbagel @UncleIroh @FinalDresdonation what is a biz bank account and how does it make you feel free from the cathedrals conquest?
A business bank account allows me to separate personal expenses from business expenses for tax advantages.
It also gives me a separate line of credit. Banks are a lot more lenient and have higher credit limits for businesses credit than personal credit lines.
plus it's nice having physical card for my business 😎
@basedbagel @UncleIroh @FinalDresdonation maybe Elon will get the chip approved for your brain so the Cathedral can give you the electronic dopamine hit you need peer transaction,when CBDC can configure your taxe credits in real time and you won’t even need a card then plebe
@FinalDresdonation @UncleIroh
There are countries in the world that have basically very low internet access or no connection for most of their territory.
Ethiopia being a brics member with 81% of the population has no internet. Eritrea has a 2% internet usage, while even big countries like India and Pakistan have less than 50% internet access.
All the "issues" one associates with the internet are all government/culture created problems.
> All the "issues" one associates with the internet are all government/culture created
Which is to say it's endemic such that these issues and all the intractable nth order effects will increase as global access increases.
Public goods too. There's no easy answer.
@UncleIroh @FinalDresdonation
Exactly. Sometime men will have to face problems head-on and solve it for good. You can't run away forever, specially when it gets to the point wars/conflicts are at your door. It's inevitable.
This is why many people, myself included, often frame this time we live in as a spiritual war.
It demands that every man face these issues head-on. No-one gets to run away.
@UncleIroh @FinalDresdonation
It's not only a spiritual war. We're on a hot war already, it was a cold one until covid activated. Men are just in denial, despite everyone knowing. Just look around.
It's inevitable that at some point men will once again regain the desire to drink from the skulls of their enemies.
@UncleIroh @Zeb @FinalDresdonation Moonshine of chorus
@UncleIroh The problem isn't the internet as much as it's the people on the internet.
Probably the internet will have to be dumbed down so that stupid people don't ruin their lives. Idiot proof like a stove or a fridge.
"We're too dumb to deserve the internet".
Well that's exactly what the WEF think of us, and so they reason that they're justified in putting the boot on our necks "for our own good."
They might have a point, there's a lot of morons out there, but they're also doing their best to create as much chaos so that we'll all throw up our hands in disgust and defeat and say "Fuggit, you win".
I think their fuckery will backfire, even with all the morons.
@UncleIroh WEF is overreaching. I can't see all their goals being achieved. Not many, if any. But chaos can be achieved for sure.
I think the internet will split. Normie internet where everything is free, ads and tracked. Then premium internet where you pay to get in, ads at a minimum. But we'll see what happens.
@UncleIroh if we had the world we live in now. But not the internet.
Then something like the Plandemic would have happened through telephone and digital intranet systems similar to fax. Connected to a government approved system that local governments, doctor's, emergency services and publicly funded organisations would use. They would push the pro vax lock / down naritive as gospel. And the resistance that we saw bubble up around the world would have to be organized manually and slowly.
And as we're all learning now, this is exactly how it always worked in the Before Times. We were always being lied to.
@UncleIroh yep. It's just the internet gives us a chance to fight back at a far quicker rate.
Unfortunately like all things. It's a double-edged sword. It also allows crazy ideas to spread just as quick. Like small boys should be allowed to choose to chop their dicks off.... Or that women should vote.
Now we have that sorted out here's another:
We know that "loose lips sink ships"
What do loose kunts do? 🤣
@UncleIroh
😂😂😂
sink governments 😉✌️
Nice. "Release the kunts!!"
@UncleIroh I can't believe this many people are Isildur.
@shortstories @Mongoliaboo @VeganMGTOW @FinalDresdonation @basedbagel @Zeb @redmaple @Loosekunt
Poll results are in.
Takeaways:
* while 73% believe that the internet produces societal harms,
* 69% also believe that on balance, the internet is a net good and should be kept
Going in, my choice was that the good outweighs the harms, but barely.
The discussions made me realize that I'm more optimistic about that choice than I initially thought.
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